On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:21 AM, John Carl <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 6:35 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I do agree that man is "more" than stones, trees and bugs, but this > > > "moreness" is mainly in his head. > > > > Do you think "the entire cosmos" is also "mainly in his head?" Or just > the > > idea of "moreness?" > > > [John] > > I was thinking that man's best moreness - the intellectual level of > patterns > - is "in his head". Not real profound, but I wanted to make a point about > self-values. > [Platt] To remind me of the limits of logic and language, I run through this little loop: What is a thought in? The brain. What is the brain in? The head. What is the head in? The body. What is the body in? The world. What is the world in? The cosmos. What is the cosmos in? A thought. Pirsig holds off the loop for a bit by positing the existence of experience before thought. > > The biggest problem I have with the MoQ is the way some take it's moral > > teaching about the hierarchy of levels and use that to glorify the man at > > the apex. A similar concern for a deep ecology aficianado. > > Are you generally against hierarchies regardless of the subject, e.g., that > nothing is essentially better than anything else? Or, is it just man's > thinking he is "better" you find objectionable? [John] Man's intellect valuing man's intellect is my main objection. It always takes an "outside" perspective to value things properly - a context. I believe the MoQ does provide this contextualizing value, but we "intellectuals" tend to ignore this in our thinking and hierarchical pride exacerbates our egoistic tendencies. [Platt] Well, I'm as suspicious of "contextualism" as I am of "systems thinking." To me some of our problems are more along the line of can't see the trees for the forest rather than vice versa. Some concern themselves with agriculture; I tend to worry more about Bessie, the cow. Of course, there's value in both views. ------------ Self is simply Choice, so choose good ------------ Also: To be a self is to know what's good for you. Even a worm knows when it's better here than there. . Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
