John, That sounds more like killing than hunting. When I hunt, I'm usually alone. I familiarize myself with the environment of the area I plan to hunt, I get to know the animals, their comings and goings, where they like to eat, drink and sleep. I pick one out, based on their eatability, big old ones are usually tough. I fast to kill my scent and to incease my focus with hunger. I track and stalk wait for a clear shot to make a clean kill. Often the opportunity does not present itself. Because I use a bow, I get intimate with the animal. If it is too close to dusk I do not take the shot for tracking purposes. When I do eventually get a kill, I pray to the animal and give thanks to them. I field dress them and haul them home to butcher in my garage, a family event. very labor intensive. I take no trophies. I respect the land and the creatures. The bear I have hunted, are not defenseless and there are many who found this out, they are very resiliant and aggressive when provoked very dangerous to hunt alone they are to be respected. You talk of killers not hunters. Those who kill for sport. there is a bit of difference.
-Ron ________________________________ From: John Carl <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:15:25 PM Subject: [MD] Hierarchical Humanism So, is it more moral for a hunter to kill a bear, or for the bear to kill the hunter? Now I must be immoral, according to the moq hierarchical understanding, because I'm quite frankly rooting for the bear. Unfortunately that's a ridiculous hope because the hunters drive around in these white 4x4 trucks with camper shells and dogs in the back and radio aerials sticking out all over and the dogs have radio collars on - it's no problem for the hunter to let loose the dogs which bring the bear (or mountain lion) to bay in a tree, triangulate the location and shoot the "predator". I see them in the woods all the time. The hunters always win. I bet tho, if we took a class room full of kids, and asked them whether this story has quality, they'd unanimously vote "no". Especially if we let them know that it was a mama bear. With cute little cubs. They'd be pissed at the hunter and wish like anything that his intellectual tools would fail him just once, and let the bear have a sporting chance at turning this man's brains into kilocalories of mama bear milk. Because quite frankly, sometimes just having an intellect isn't enough. Sometimes you have to justify the use you make of your intellect in order for me to wish you life and prosperity. We have lots and lots of humans with guns, cars and technology. We are running out of wild bears. A metaphysics of Quality implies to me that Quality exists on every level. The Buddhist precept of "do no harm" is the proper response to the metaphysical reality of Quality. The Taoist contempt for intellectual pride and reverence for Nature is the proper response to the metaphysical reality of Quality. A philosophy that feeds man's overweening arrogance and egotistical pride at "dominating" nature is not the proper response to the metaphysical reality of Quality. The arrogance of humanism is an inherited arrogance born in Rome and Catholicism with clearcut hierarchies of God up there, and man down here, and all the gradations in between and below. When science overthrew religion, it replaced man in the god role and kept the hierarchical dominance idea. The Prussian totalitarian education system ingrained the ideas into everyone's children, till today we can barely even see the damage that's been done because we're so bound up in it. I support the right to arm bears -- ------------ Self is Choice, so choose good ------------ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
