I didn't really want to go into the morality of hunting, Ron, so much as I was trying to illustrate a problem I have with hierarchical humanism. But since you mention it, because you are invading the bear's domain rather than the other way around, because you are armed with a technical superiority that gives you an unfair advantage, and because your motivations would be difficult to justify in a life and death decision, I'm still rooting for the bear.
Sorry. John On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 1:05 PM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: > John, > That sounds more like killing than hunting. When I hunt, I'm usually > alone. > I familiarize myself with the environment of the area I plan to hunt, I get > to > know the animals, their comings and goings, where they like to eat, drink > and sleep. > I pick one out, based on their eatability, big old ones are usually tough. > I fast to kill my scent and to incease my focus with hunger. I track and > stalk > wait for a clear shot to make a clean kill. Often the opportunity does not > present itself. > Because I use a bow, I get intimate with the animal. If it is too close to > dusk I do > not take the shot for tracking purposes. > When I do eventually get a kill, I pray to the animal and give thanks to > them. I field > dress them and haul them home to butcher in my garage, a family event. > very labor intensive. I take no trophies. I respect the land and the > creatures. > The bear I have hunted, are not defenseless and there are many who found > this > out, they are very resiliant and aggressive when provoked very dangerous to > hunt alone they are to be respected. > You talk of killers not hunters. Those who kill for sport. there is a bit > of difference. > > -Ron > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: John Carl <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:15:25 PM > Subject: [MD] Hierarchical Humanism > > So, is it more moral for a hunter to kill a bear, or for the bear to kill > the hunter? > Now I must be immoral, according to the moq hierarchical understanding, > because I'm quite frankly rooting for the bear. Unfortunately that's a > ridiculous hope because the hunters drive around in these white 4x4 trucks > with camper shells and dogs in the back and radio aerials sticking out all > over and the dogs have radio collars on - it's no problem for the hunter > to > let loose the dogs which bring the bear (or mountain lion) to bay in a > tree, > triangulate the location and shoot the "predator". I see them in the woods > all the time. The hunters always win. > > I bet tho, if we took a class room full of kids, and asked them whether > this > story has quality, they'd unanimously vote "no". Especially if we let them > know that it was a mama bear. With cute little cubs. They'd be pissed at > the hunter and wish like anything that his intellectual tools would fail > him > just once, and let the bear have a sporting chance at turning this man's > brains into kilocalories of mama bear milk. Because quite frankly, > sometimes just having an intellect isn't enough. Sometimes you have to > justify the use you make of your intellect in order for me to wish you life > and prosperity. We have lots and lots of humans with guns, cars and > technology. We are running out of wild bears. > > A metaphysics of Quality implies to me that Quality exists on every level. > The Buddhist precept of "do no harm" is the proper response to the > metaphysical reality of Quality. The Taoist contempt for intellectual > pride > and reverence for Nature is the proper response to the metaphysical reality > of Quality. A philosophy that feeds man's overweening arrogance and > egotistical pride at "dominating" nature is not the proper response to the > metaphysical reality of Quality. The arrogance of humanism is an inherited > arrogance born in Rome and Catholicism with clearcut hierarchies of God up > there, and man down here, and all the gradations in between and below. > When > science overthrew religion, it replaced man in the god role and kept the > hierarchical dominance idea. The Prussian totalitarian education system > ingrained the ideas into everyone's children, till today we can barely even > see the damage that's been done because we're so bound up in it. > > I support the right to arm bears > > > > > -- > ------------ > Self is Choice, so choose good > ------------ > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > -- ------------ Self is Choice, so choose good ------------ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
