Just a reminder. Pirisg's explication of the MOQ is written in SOM. On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 8:29 PM, gav <[email protected]> wrote:
> > just a reminder: > you cannot understand the MOQ if you are thinking in SOM > you can understand SOM if you are thinking in MOQ. > > The MOQ integrates SOM; SOM isn't able to comprehend the MOQ. > > this point is illustrated day in day out by krimel and many others who keep > trying to understand the MOQ from a SOM viewpoint. nothing can be gained in > this way. > > SOM is dualistic; the MOQ is monistic. > > as with the first chapter of the tao te ching, the one (tao, quality) > *precedes* the two (yin/yang, subject/object). > > what pirsig did and is asking us to do is no easy thing; it is rather > 'matrix-ish' - it requires one to 'bracket' the world, to borrow from > husserl. maya. > > as with taoism or buddhism or hinduism, we see the resonances of the MOQ > with the perennial philosophy, which can be summarised by tat tvam asi - > thou art that....or from closer to home, gnothi se auton - know thyself. > > these aphorisms reveal the fundamental unity of self and world and 'god', > of knower and known; but as with all abstract ideas they do not directly > reveal. the direct experience of this unity is much more efficacious - > revelatory. this is why indigenous cultures took psychedelics, chanted, > drummed, fasted etc etc. this is what pirsig realised when he took peyote. > > to cast aside the enduring wisdom of the most enduring cultures (including > our own) is sheer folly, and a case of pathological hubris. > why would these philosophies endure if they didn't work? pragmatic > criterion! > > SOM, in its mature form, is about 400 years old, and it has led us to the > brink of extinction. alienation from the natural world and schizophrenia is > the psychic result. it has served its purpose (relating to the evolution of > the intellect from the social) and now is being superceded, integrated > within a more coherent and comprehensive metaphysical model. this process > represents the culmination of intellect > > the intellect frees the individual from social control, from coercion and > oppression, but the social level provided a home for the individual - a > sense of identity and meaning; the incredible vigour of fundamentalist > religious whackos - christian, moslem and jew - are testament to this > schism, this lack: the individual has been loosed from an anachronistic and > infantile interpretation of religious truth, but where doe he call home now? > nihilism is a stepping stone to a direct personal spirituality. > > which is where we are at now. we are seeking a reconnection, a personal > reconnection (see campbell's creative mythology for great stuff on this) to > the divine, with intellect as our guide. but for this to occur we have to > use intellect artistically; prosaic scientific generalities are not personal > - they are social- they seek to explain reality as something independent of > our own unique natures - this is regressive. > > intellect must yield to the rhythm and logic of mythopoetry in order to > reach the subtle comprehension necessary to a personal connection to the > divine. it cannot be approached head-on, literally: we obscure what we seek > when we do that. very male. > > no offense to the guys here, but for girls this knowledge is easier to > grasp. the return of the witch, the wise woman, is upon us. the woman is > more receptive than the man, generally speaking. she is less likely to > impose her own conceptual schema on the world, rather she is better able to > discern the subtle order within chaos - the world is order incarnate. > (this is why jackson pollock's drip paintings were so valued - he captured > that chaotic order.) > > ever seen 'i love huckabees'? - when the two main characters bash each > other in the face with a blow up ball to shock each other zen style into a > state of pure being? "it's like i am a rock, a tree, a blade of grass or > some mould. whatever is around" > > > > > > > > > > > > Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. > Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
