Marsha to Krimel: I did not state anything was about Bo, but the idea that the intellectual level is lost in an endless battle of subject and object reasoning. Science is about subjects discovering truth by dividing, defining and knowing objects. A tool that may be useful, or harmful, depending on the hearts of the individual's who use it.
Andre, Hi Krimel, Marsha (thank you for your kinds words re my recovery...I am working on it). The tool science uses to divide and discover etc, are wonderful. They have proved their worth but you reminded me of a passage I read recently in a wonderful book ( Anthony, I am forever grateful to you for attending me to it). It says: 'My belief is simply this: paradoxes tap directly into the non-algorithmic depth of knowing. As do poetry and music.The use of non-algorithmic knowing does not mean that one has to abandon science. Just the reverse. Philosopher of science Thomas Kuhn has pointed out [and Pirsig has stated this likewise] that almost all the great advances in science have come about not from logic or reason but from 'Eureka' moments- flashes of insight that are at the root indistinguishable from the moments of creative inspiration that fire music,literature or art. After the instantaneous synthesis of a deep insight the crafting of a detailed scientific theory is only a sophisticated 'mopping up' operation. Logic is thus a TOOL of insight, not its GUIDE. If scientific and artistic insights both stem from non algorithmic consciousness ( Pirsig argues this, though I am unsure how he feels about the use of concept 'consciousness'...anyone??) then those aesthetic qualities that cluster around the word 'beautiful' should have some guiding role in our quest for truth. Many scientists now believe this' (Darryl Reanney, 'Music of the Mind' p 11, my emphasis). My understanding is thus that the dividing, discovering, dissecting etc is all nice and logic and reason as tools are great. But, after the discovery, to then use the same tools to explain things within a greater (non-scientific) context is wrong and short-sighted. IMHO Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
