hiya, > Just a reminder. Pirisg's explication > of the MOQ is written in SOM.
no. it's art. > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 8:29 PM, gav <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > just a reminder: > > you cannot understand the MOQ if you are thinking in > SOM > > you can understand SOM if you are thinking in MOQ. > > > > The MOQ integrates SOM; SOM isn't able to comprehend > the MOQ. > > > > this point is illustrated day in day out by krimel and > many others who keep > > trying to understand the MOQ from a SOM viewpoint. > nothing can be gained in > > this way. > > > > SOM is dualistic; the MOQ is monistic. > > > > as with the first chapter of the tao te ching, the one > (tao, quality) > > *precedes* the two (yin/yang, subject/object). > > > > what pirsig did and is asking us to do is no easy > thing; it is rather > > 'matrix-ish' - it requires one to 'bracket' the world, > to borrow from > > husserl. maya. > > > > as with taoism or buddhism or hinduism, we see the > resonances of the MOQ > > with the perennial philosophy, which can be summarised > by tat tvam asi - > > thou art that....or from closer to home, gnothi se > auton - know thyself. > > > > these aphorisms reveal the fundamental unity of self > and world and 'god', > > of knower and known; but as with all abstract ideas > they do not directly > > reveal. the direct experience of this unity is much > more efficacious - > > revelatory. this is why indigenous cultures took > psychedelics, chanted, > > drummed, fasted etc etc. this is what pirsig realised > when he took peyote. > > > > to cast aside the enduring wisdom of the most enduring > cultures (including > > our own) is sheer folly, and a case of pathological > hubris. > > why would these philosophies endure if they didn't > work? pragmatic > > criterion! > > > > SOM, in its mature form, is about 400 years old, and > it has led us to the > > brink of extinction. alienation from the natural world > and schizophrenia is > > the psychic result. it has served its purpose > (relating to the evolution of > > the intellect from the social) and now is being > superceded, integrated > > within a more coherent and comprehensive metaphysical > model. this process > > represents the culmination of intellect > > > > the intellect frees the individual from social > control, from coercion and > > oppression, but the social level provided a home for > the individual - a > > sense of identity and meaning; the incredible vigour > of fundamentalist > > religious whackos - christian, moslem and jew - are > testament to this > > schism, this lack: the individual has been loosed from > an anachronistic and > > infantile interpretation of religious truth, but where > doe he call home now? > > nihilism is a stepping stone to a direct personal > spirituality. > > > > which is where we are at now. we are seeking a > reconnection, a personal > > reconnection (see campbell's creative mythology for > great stuff on this) to > > the divine, with intellect as our guide. but for this > to occur we have to > > use intellect artistically; prosaic scientific > generalities are not personal > > - they are social- they seek to explain reality as > something independent of > > our own unique natures - this is regressive. > > > > intellect must yield to the rhythm and logic of > mythopoetry in order to > > reach the subtle comprehension necessary to a personal > connection to the > > divine. it cannot be approached head-on, literally: we > obscure what we seek > > when we do that. very male. > > > > no offense to the guys here, but for girls this > knowledge is easier to > > grasp. the return of the witch, the wise woman, is > upon us. the woman is > > more receptive than the man, generally speaking. she > is less likely to > > impose her own conceptual schema on the world, rather > she is better able to > > discern the subtle order within chaos - the world is > order incarnate. > > (this is why jackson pollock's drip paintings were so > valued - he captured > > that chaotic order.) > > > > ever seen 'i love huckabees'? - when the two main > characters bash each > > other in the face with a blow up ball to shock each > other zen style into a > > state of pure being? 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