perhaps it's in how one constructs or destructs, perhaps it is the art of both in concert.. constructive deconstructivism
________________________________ From: gav <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 10:39:26 PM Subject: Re: [MD] suffering to suffer constructively or destructively. that is the (existential) question. --- On Sun, 28/6/09, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: > From: X Acto <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MD] suffering > To: [email protected] > Received: Sunday, 28 June, 2009, 12:04 PM > Gav, > I think that is the message, not the avoidance of > suffering. > it is said that desire is the root of suffering > the universe is composed of desire/ > > it only stands to reason that to master desire, is the > key. > > to live is to desire, to desire to suffer. thus life is > suffering > > wisdom comes not from the avoidance of desire, not from > avoiding attachment , but the art of how we choose to > suffer. > thus the art of how we choose to desire. > > -Ron > > > ________________________________ > From: gav <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 6:00:56 PM > Subject: [MD] suffering > > > maybe we give suffering a bad wrap.... > > i know from my experience that suffering is often swept > under the carpet - hidden. "i'm alright mate". > > a couple of years ago i was going through a tough time - i > had broken up with bel (whom some of you know) and i was > without a home, couch-surfing, 3 days here, 3 days there. > i was disorientated, extremely sad, and it began to affect > my physical health. > > you see i had no-one to just be totally honest with. i > tried my folks but they couldn't go there - *they didn't > want to see me suffer*. > my angelic sister tried but she thought i should go on > anti-depressants - she couldn't handle my sadness either. > > my friends, well, my best friend was living in korea at the > time and the rest of them dealt with pain the ethanolic > way...i following suit regularly. but that was evasion. > > it came back to bel, now married to someone else (with whom > she is now expeting twins i am overjoyed to say)...only she > knew that i was okay, fundamentally, and just needed to get > it out. she gave me that permission one afternoon at my > parents place. i broke. i just fell apart. and if bel hadn't > been there my parents may have got out the straitjacket. > instead she let me get snotty and blubber and she took me > into town and she found me somewhere to live, and that > apogee, or perhaps nadir depending on how you look at it, > was the breakthrough. > > by being allowed to suffer, to suffer freely, i released > the energy that was making me ill, and i reconnected with > the world, with new people, one of whom i still live with > now. > > it was suffering, beautiful, painful suffering that tore > down my walls and let people back in. > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. > Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
