Ok, just cuz I'm in the mood, I'm gonna jump in here on Bo... On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:08 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> Gentlemen > > I must repeat that the greatest goof > was to introduce a Quality/Concept "meta-metaphysics" which is > playing straight into SOM's hand. I hope it's not tiresome for you to explain this to me in simple language. I don't quite get the meta-meta, Quality??/??concept. What does the slash represent? The quality of the concept Concept or the concept of Quality? You can see how a new guy could get lost here. > As Krimel points to there is nothing > outside of language ...IF ONE ACCEPTS SOM's of an objective > reality "out there" fundamentally different from our conceptual > language .... and so Pirsig and you obviously have done. Good Grief! Ok here is where I am with you, I think. It's just as unprovable that "out there" DOESN'T match our "in here" as it is unprovable that it does. Concluding fundamental difference on such scant empirical evidence doesn't sound very empirical to me. In fact, it sounds more like the snit of a cynic - a disillusioned idealist - we can't PROVE it one way so we'll CON CLUDE that it's other. Sorta like Krimel's problem with not having absolute power over the whole universe so he's unwilling to admit he has any choice at all. > > Concepts are formed by language so those are identical, Well here Bo, I might differ. It seems to me that there is something that goes down in my brain that is a discrete (relatively) "concept" that I might not have the language for. Different languages use symbols to represent basic and common human conceptualization. Does that seem right to you? Then it would be likely, even provable that all words are concepts, but not all concepts can be reduced to words. Oops... Lunch break is over. Catch you later, > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > -- ------------ Doing Good IS Being ------------ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
