Bo, DMB, Matt, et al ... Ignoring Matt's contribution for a moment ... In this exchange between Bo and DMB
DMB One doesn't need to "deduce" the discrepancy between concepts and reality from the DQ/sq distinction because that distinction and the discrepancy are exactly the same thing. Concepts are static intellectual patterns and reality is Dynamic Quality. Bo You seem oblivious to the fact that the first DQ/SQ distinction is the inorganic one and its perception of value is not by concepts nor is the biological, only with the social level and language did concepts enter the scene, but only with intellect did the the reality/concept distinction occur. Your resistance shows how immensely strong intellect's ties are - they want to dominate the scene - but these must be torn if one is to enter Quality's meta-level. I side with DMB. Bo's objection / frustration is exactly the same as his thesis that intellect and SOM are the same thing - that the conceptual distinctions cannot "exist" until intellect arises. They exist alright - the DQ/SQ distinction - just not as SOMist concepts until SOMist intellect arises (and creates the problem). IMHO as ever - it is Bo who is stuck in SOMist intellectual conundrums (and therefore deserves the sympathy) - almost literally the dinosaur refusing to evolve as intellect evolves to embrace the MoQ. (PS - Anyone ever heard of "punning" - as a technical term to escape from Quines - the finger / moon, terrain / map issue - so that Intellect can describe the MoQ which itself describes Intellect ?) (PPS - The rest of the confusion over language, words and concepts - is irrelevant here - just another aspect of the SOMist confusion / delusion.) Now to read Matt ... I'll be back. Ian On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 5:54 PM, david buchanan<[email protected]> wrote: > > Bo: > It's clear that you're frustrated and that you feel unread. You have my > sympathy to a certain extent but I'm just not interested in repeating our > debate. I think your view has already been thoroughly defeated and here > you've added nothing to this defeated view. > Thanks all the same, > dmb > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
