Hello Joe I've noticed comments from you that includes me, but I have developed some eye problem (when gazing at the screen for a long time some strange patterns start to appear) I must simply limit myself ...give priority to "saving the MOQ" :-) However, this your input goes to the heart of the matter:
> Imho (in my humble opinion), MOQ (Metaphysics Of Quality) reasonably > changed the basis of the logic of SOM (Subject Object Metaphysics). Right you are. > SOM logic defines an undefined subject by the action of a defining > verb. In the case of dividing by 0 this is illogical. Descartes > states: ³I think therefore I am!² As ZAMM describes it SOM emerged as a result of the Greek philosophical frenzy that brought that culture away from its old quality- based (Aretê) reality. Now, with LILA this must be put into a Q-level context and it's plain that SOM is the intellectual level emerging from Aretê as the social level. And only now can Descartes' statement be evaluated and we see that SOM (with him) had reached its final stage, a mental (mind) realm totally removed the material one. After Descartes - with the empiricist - arose the problem which of the two realms is the real (causes the other) and that see-saw that has gone up and down ever since. This quandary was what brought young Phaedrus to despair and triggered his Quality insight that (as you so correctly say) "...changed the basis of the logic of SOM" > The subject has only intentional existence. Aristotle defines motion > in a similar way: ³The act of a being in potency in as much as it is in > potency.² In SOM the subject is undefined (with only intentional > existence from the object) and becomes defined by the action of the > verb and object. E.g., the man is eating. The ³man² is defined in the > eating, and we can distinguish the ³man² from a statue. This may be correct, but terribly complicated. SOM's problem is that the subject can't exist without the world, and the world not without the subject, i.e. the mind/matter duality is an aggregate and yet SOM's logical base does not allow this so it's plain that a fundamental base shift is needed ... just what the MOQ is and in its light the S/O distinction becomes its STATIC intellectual level. This way the VALUE is retained while the problems dissolve. > In MOQ (Metaphysics of Quality) the subject is defined in an > evolutionary hierarchy. The object, the level of evolution, is > defined in the action, SOL. At least the above about SOM = the intellectual level is the SOL interpretation. Yours sincerely Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
