Sharath, Marsha, I've heard it described as a place holder for numerical values a whole number representing nothing. which caused a stir in Greek philosophy. Zero figures heavily in physics and chemistry and denotes a point of beginning. infintesimals are addressed in calculus and higher mathematics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0_(number)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinitesimal ________________________________ From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:26:34 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Reductionism Not sure, but zero, along with infinity, does seem to be something physicists don't want as an answer in their equations. At 02:23 PM 7/15/2009, you wrote: >I wonder what really is zero > >On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:08 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Can't Joe create something like a Plank's Constant for himself, one > > guaranteed to get rid of those nasty zeros. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:56 PM 7/15/2009, you wrote: > > > >> Joe, > >> Well, division by zero is not so much "physically impossible" as it is > >> "in violation of mathematical axioms." > >> Division by zero is an operation for which you cannot find an answer, > >> so it is disallowed. You can understand why if you think about how > >> division and multiplication are related. > >> 12 divided by 6 is 2 because > >> 6 times 2 is 12 > >> > >> 12 divided by 0 is x would mean that > >> 0 times x = 12 > >> > >> But no value would work for x because 0 times any number is 0. So division > >> by zero doesn't work. > >> > >> There's a special word for stuff like this, where you could conceivably > >> give > >> it any number of values. That word is "indeterminate." It's not the same > >> as > >> undefined. It essentially means that if it pops up somewhere, you don't > >> know > >> what its value will be in your case. For instance, if you have the limit > >> as x->0 > >> of x/x and of 7x/x, the expression will have a value of 1 in the first > >> case and 7 > >> in the second case. Indeterminate. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> > >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:58:28 PM > >> Subject: Re: [MD] Reductionism > >> > >> Hi Bo, > >> > >> I will work on the complications. Thank you! for your encouragement, and > >> the Time you have put into MOQ. > >> > >> Joe > >> On 7/13/09 11:14 PM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > Hello Joe > >> > > >> > I've noticed comments from you that includes me, but I have > >> > developed some eye problem (when gazing at the screen for a long > >> > time some strange patterns start to appear) I must simply limit myself > >> > ...give priority to "saving the MOQ" :-) > >> > > >> > However, this your input goes to the heart of the matter: > >> > > >> >> Imho (in my humble opinion), MOQ (Metaphysics Of Quality) reasonably > >> >> changed the basis of the logic of SOM (Subject Object Metaphysics). > >> > > >> > Right you are. > >> > > >> >> SOM logic defines an undefined subject by the action of a defining > >> >> verb. In the case of dividing by 0 this is illogical. Descartes > >> >> states: ³I think therefore I am!² > >> > > >> > As ZAMM describes it SOM emerged as a result of the Greek > >> > philosophical frenzy that brought that culture away from its old > >> quality- > >> > based (Aretê) reality. Now, with LILA this must be put into a Q-level > >> > context and it's plain that SOM is the intellectual level emerging from > >> > Aretê as the social level. And only now can Descartes' statement be > >> > evaluated and we see that SOM (with him) had reached its final stage, > >> > a mental (mind) realm totally removed the material one. After > >> > Descartes - with the empiricist - arose the problem which of the two > >> > realms is the real (causes the other) and that see-saw that has gone > >> > up and down ever since. This quandary was what brought young > >> > Phaedrus to despair and triggered his Quality insight that (as you so > >> > correctly say) "...changed the basis of the logic of SOM" > >> > > >> >> The subject has only intentional existence. Aristotle defines motion > >> >> in a similar way: ³The act of a being in potency in as much as it is in > >> >> potency.² In SOM the subject is undefined (with only intentional > >> >> existence from the object) and becomes defined by the action of the > >> >> verb and object. E.g., the man is eating. The ³man² is defined in the > >> >> eating, and we can distinguish the ³man² from a statue. > >> > > >> > This may be correct, but terribly complicated. SOM's problem is that > >> > the subject can't exist without the world, and the world not without the > >> > subject, i.e. the mind/matter duality is an aggregate and yet SOM's > >> > logical base does not allow this so it's plain that a fundamental base > >> > shift is needed ... just what the MOQ is and in its light the S/O > >> > distinction becomes its STATIC intellectual level. This way the VALUE > >> > is retained while the problems dissolve. > >> > > >> >> In MOQ (Metaphysics of Quality) the subject is defined in an > >> >> evolutionary hierarchy. The object, the level of evolution, is > >> >> defined in the action, SOL. > >> > > >> > At least the above about SOM = the intellectual level is the SOL > >> > interpretation. > >> > > >> > Yours sincerely > >> > > >> > Bodvar > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> > Archives: > >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > >> > >> > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > >> > > > > > > > > ____________ > > > > "Compassion diminishes fright about your own pain and increases inner > > strength." ~His Holiness, the Dalai Lama > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > >-- >--Sharath > > > >============================== >Ping-pong & life are similar - both a quest for perfection. >============================== >Moq_Discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ ____________ "Compassion diminishes fright about your own pain and increases inner strength." ~His Holiness, the Dalai Lama Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
