I wonder what really is zero On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:08 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > Can't Joe create something like a Plank's Constant for himself, one > guaranteed to get rid of those nasty zeros. > > > > > > > At 01:56 PM 7/15/2009, you wrote: > >> Joe, >> Well, division by zero is not so much "physically impossible" as it is >> "in violation of mathematical axioms." >> Division by zero is an operation for which you cannot find an answer, >> so it is disallowed. You can understand why if you think about how >> division and multiplication are related. >> 12 divided by 6 is 2 because >> 6 times 2 is 12 >> >> 12 divided by 0 is x would mean that >> 0 times x = 12 >> >> But no value would work for x because 0 times any number is 0. So division >> by zero doesn't work. >> >> There's a special word for stuff like this, where you could conceivably >> give >> it any number of values. That word is "indeterminate." It's not the same >> as >> undefined. It essentially means that if it pops up somewhere, you don't >> know >> what its value will be in your case. For instance, if you have the limit >> as x->0 >> of x/x and of 7x/x, the expression will have a value of 1 in the first >> case and 7 >> in the second case. Indeterminate. >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:58:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [MD] Reductionism >> >> Hi Bo, >> >> I will work on the complications. Thank you! for your encouragement, and >> the Time you have put into MOQ. >> >> Joe >> On 7/13/09 11:14 PM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Hello Joe >> > >> > I've noticed comments from you that includes me, but I have >> > developed some eye problem (when gazing at the screen for a long >> > time some strange patterns start to appear) I must simply limit myself >> > ...give priority to "saving the MOQ" :-) >> > >> > However, this your input goes to the heart of the matter: >> > >> >> Imho (in my humble opinion), MOQ (Metaphysics Of Quality) reasonably >> >> changed the basis of the logic of SOM (Subject Object Metaphysics). >> > >> > Right you are. >> > >> >> SOM logic defines an undefined subject by the action of a defining >> >> verb. In the case of dividing by 0 this is illogical. Descartes >> >> states: ³I think therefore I am!² >> > >> > As ZAMM describes it SOM emerged as a result of the Greek >> > philosophical frenzy that brought that culture away from its old >> quality- >> > based (Aretê) reality. Now, with LILA this must be put into a Q-level >> > context and it's plain that SOM is the intellectual level emerging from >> > Aretê as the social level. And only now can Descartes' statement be >> > evaluated and we see that SOM (with him) had reached its final stage, >> > a mental (mind) realm totally removed the material one. After >> > Descartes - with the empiricist - arose the problem which of the two >> > realms is the real (causes the other) and that see-saw that has gone >> > up and down ever since. This quandary was what brought young >> > Phaedrus to despair and triggered his Quality insight that (as you so >> > correctly say) "...changed the basis of the logic of SOM" >> > >> >> The subject has only intentional existence. Aristotle defines motion >> >> in a similar way: ³The act of a being in potency in as much as it is in >> >> potency.² In SOM the subject is undefined (with only intentional >> >> existence from the object) and becomes defined by the action of the >> >> verb and object. E.g., the man is eating. The ³man² is defined in the >> >> eating, and we can distinguish the ³man² from a statue. >> > >> > This may be correct, but terribly complicated. SOM's problem is that >> > the subject can't exist without the world, and the world not without the >> > subject, i.e. the mind/matter duality is an aggregate and yet SOM's >> > logical base does not allow this so it's plain that a fundamental base >> > shift is needed ... just what the MOQ is and in its light the S/O >> > distinction becomes its STATIC intellectual level. This way the VALUE >> > is retained while the problems dissolve. >> > >> >> In MOQ (Metaphysics of Quality) the subject is defined in an >> >> evolutionary hierarchy. The object, the level of evolution, is >> >> defined in the action, SOL. >> > >> > At least the above about SOM = the intellectual level is the SOL >> > interpretation. >> > >> > Yours sincerely >> > >> > Bodvar >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list >> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> > Archives: >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > > > > ____________ > > "Compassion diminishes fright about your own pain and increases inner > strength." ~His Holiness, the Dalai Lama > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > -- --Sharath ============================== Ping-pong & life are similar - both a quest for perfection. ============================== Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
