Hmmmm If the wave is dynamic, and the particle static, the wave/particle duality is still an analogy. Maybe to understand all in analogy (a kind of death to intellectual patterns) is to be open and allow for the possibility of intuition.
Marsha -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of MarshaV Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 5:43 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] What a wonderful world Greetings Andre, Below you wrote: "It, as Pirsig anticipated, invokes a real break from intellect ( as Bodvar suggests) it needs to be transcended ( as Phaedrus anticipated and fought for). A radical break from everything we are used to! A spiritual awareness of an order above the intellectual. This, of necessity invokes intuition, imagination, feeling: a 'listnening to the wind (ZMM)' The Code of Art!." You are very insightful. Yes, intuition, and to me the best statements representing intuition are found in the closing chapter of LILA: "While sustaining biological and social patterns Kill all intellectual patterns. Kill them completely And then follow Dynamic Quality And morality will be served." Marsha -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andre Broersen Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 1:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MD] What a wonderful world Hello Everyone, I've been away, off and on for a bit, here and there, and I'm going to suggest something outrageous: it's great to be away from all this intellectualising. I have enjoyed some stuff, felt annoyed at other stuff but in general have wondered what the hell are we doing? We are not engaging ourselves with the essence of what Pirsig has told us. All this mumbo jumbo about MoQ...expressing it in a static way by writing it down and getting loads of s/o arguments to deal with (from a s/o point of experience), trying to 'convert' people to see things from the Quality point of view........ ahh it is so tiring sometimes to put something undefinable in unintelligible parlance because then you get intelligence going...it is such an EGO creator! Such a divider wanting to know and understand everything in its finest detail and whilst it is doing this getting farther and farther away from a deeper understanding of what quality is all about. Such a bundle of particles fighting for its own existence while knowing all the time it is about the waves. The resolution of a paradox ( read particle war) leads to a deeper understanding (a wave resolution) i.e a deeper understanding to reach a higher level on consciousness. This resolution takes place at the pre- ( or is it post?) intellectual level. Consider the simple statement: "to save your life you have to lose it'" ( not sure if Jesus actually said this but it sounds ok) To understand this statement you have to go deeper than mere intellectual understanding. As a matter of fact you cannot make sense of this statement if you intellectualise about it...if you approach it intellectually. This is a level of understanding, a level of consciousness Pirsig talked about in ZMM...this is the Pirsig I love! LIVE!, EXPERIENCE! And the implications and consequences of this insight are reaching far beyong the 'little' considerations named 'intellect' or 'intelligence' as a means of experiencing experience (Quality). This goes higher and at the same time deeper!! It,as Pirsig anticipated, invokes a real break from intellect ( as Bodvar suggests) it needs to be transcended ( as Phaedrus anticipated and fought for). A radical break from everything we are used to! A spiritual awareness of an order above the intellectual. This, of necessity invokes intuition, imagination, feeling:a 'listnening to the wind (ZMM)' The Code of Art!. I am still trying to work this out: the complementarity between the waves and the paricles...this is very interesting stuff. Thoughts are particles! Intellect creates particles from the ineffable waves of Quality! Pre-intellectual/post intellectual deeper understanding re-establishes the waves ...but much richer. Ahh, I don't know. Anyone...help! For what it is worth Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
