As Lao Tsu said: those who do not know, talk, those who know do not talk.
Ron: but lao tsu talked about the tao did he not and wrote this down. does this contradict the assertion? or rather in context of a type of knowing that may not be spoken nor written. the tao that maybe be spoken is not the eternal tao the path to this kind of knowledge may be found in words if one has the ears to hear them. -Ron ----- Original Message ---- From: Andre Broersen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 12:55:15 PM Subject: Re: [MD] What a wonderful world Marsha to Andre:If the wave is dynamic, and the particle static, the wave/particle duality is still an analogy. Maybe to understand all in analogy (a kind of death to intellectual patterns) is to be open and allow for the possibility of intuition. Andre: Hi Marsha, catching up a bit after my wonderful holiday in the land of Eire. In this case I put Reanney's waves ( from 'Music of the Mind') as similar to the undifferentiated continuum (the waves)...Quality from which we 'abstract' the 'particles' i.e our evolution has developed sensitivity to/ awareness of the anorganic, and organic abstractions/perceptions.(SOM's stronghold) When we 'understand/comprehend something we 'resonate, with their waves ( in Pirsig's ZMM parlance... 'waves of crystallization' occur ). Some call this an 'epiphany', some a mystical experience when something that has 'eluded' you for a long time suddenly 'gells' it fits, it resonates...it has 'returned to the wave from which it was abstracted in particle form and now resonates as 'enlightenment' in wave form...and you are aware of this!!!it has 'expanded' your consciousness. And yes, I think I agree with you...it remains ( to communicate) an analogy...but for yourself!!!...at the (what we call intuitive level) you know better. As Lao Tsu said: those who do not know, talk, those who know do not talk. Pirsig (ZMM) does talk about transcending the intellectual level...reaching a broader , more inclusive level of understanding...a higher level of 'consciousness' so I make no bones about using these terms.They are central to an understanding of the MoQ. Some call it mystical but as Bodvar has suggested this is a typical SOM term/ interpretation (and there is nothing subjective (in a derogatory 'just' way) about mystical experiences. They have occured too often with too many people...the wave experiences are real. The re- connections with the All or whatever you want to call it. It suggests the complementarity of the wave/particle Bohm was talking about. Pirsig has given expression to this in his MoQ but I admit readily that I do not completely understand (read: resonate) with this simply because I am still grappling with parts of the MoQ. (especially as explained by other MD'ers) I hope I am making some sense and do not disappoint Bodvar too much in the process otherwise I'll be SOM doomed forever!! Thanks for you kind words Marsha and not forgetting Ron!!( you are correct Ron, we must be precise). For what it is worth Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
