Nah, nothing like a real gauntlet in your face to raise a reaction. "Come out and fight you wussy academic philosophologists you!"
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Ian Glendinning <[email protected]>wrote: > That's a great contribution John, I'd forgetten that question was > explicit in the Baggini interview. > > ... except for one minor thing ... > > Clearly Pirsig says he wants others to criticize and raise his game > (and in my experience he is genuine in that), but at the time, > branding those others as somehow inferior philosophologists clearly > had the opposite effect (as in fact you might expect). > > Regards > Ian > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 5:28 PM, John Carl<[email protected]> wrote: > > Steve, Matt, and all, > > Last night or the night before while clicking through archives and links > and > > what-not I came across this interview, with the following insight into > the > > question: > > > > > > BAGGINI: I like the idea of “philosophology” as opposed to real > philosophy. > > And I am sure that one of the main trappings of academic philosophy is > that > > it encourages the former rather than the latter. But I'm not sure the > > distinction is as neat as you present it, and this is what I think serves > as > > an obstacle to the reception of the MOQ. > > > > > > > > PIRSIG: No, it isn't neat, since most philosophologists also philosophize > > and most philosophers also philosophologise. > > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Steven Peterson < > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > Hi Matt, > >> > >> Let me grant that you've successfully "fuzzed-up" the distinction > >> between philosophy and philosophology that Pirsig and others would > >> like to keep distinct. > > > > > > So from my reading of this quote, the distinction was "fuzzed-up" even > > before Matt. It was intended as a fuzzy distinction by its creator. > Pirsig > > also talks about doing philosophology himself, but his primary > orientation > > is as philosopher who is a half-assed philosophologist, rather than the > > other way around. > > > > How this relates to the debate is the distinction is not who we are, it > is > > in what we do - In the moment I can do philosophy or I can do > > philosophology. There is a clear distinction, in the moment of doing, > > which is not fuzzy. Which one I am, is determined by which one I am > doing. > > And it changes. > > > > > >> > >> You've said that Pirsig wants us to keep this distinction because it > >> frees him from the criticisms of academia. Can you see any other > >> purpose for which this distinction could still be useful? > >> > > > > Well I don't agree with that "reason" as Pirsig's. He plainly wants the > > criticisms of academia. I mean, who wouldn't? I can't imagine anything > > more exciting than waking up and finding academia criticizing me. > > > > BAGGINI: Your alter-ego Phaedrus is the epitome of the lone philosopher. > He > > doesn't ignore other philosophers completely, but he doesn't have > > well-informed fellow philosophers to push him and test him, and he > develops > > his own philosophy mostly independently from that which has gone before. > I > > would suggest, however, that he makes the opposite error of the > > philosophologists he seems to feel superior too: they spend too much time > > rehearsing the ideas of others, but he underestimates the extent to which > > others can help us to raise our game and think better. > > > > > > > > PIRSIG: Any time others want to help me raise my game and think better, > I'm > > all for it. The problem has been that those academic others who should be > > engaging the Metaphysics of Quality have remained silent for 31 years in > > contrast to the response of the general public. > > > > > > > > John > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
