I second the motion
----- Original Message ---- From: John Carl <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:19:47 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Consciousness (explained?) mark, for me this problem is cleared up by Ellul's distinction between the differing realms of Truth and Reality. If I see a chair, (and at the moment, I do) then that is my observed reality put together by my brain from the image available. My written statement about me seeing a chair is a bunch of words that I put together to express a truth. So... negation is a concept with a truth-value and saying "not-chair" is mixing up these two differing realms of reality and truth which leads to confusion. So the chair recognizes your motion to table the chair. On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:38 PM, markhsmit <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Ron, > > What I was trying to impart was that there is more to this > world than opposites. A chair does not have an opposite. > The presence of a chair does, that is, its absence, But the > chair itself does not. Isn't it possible to discern what is real > and what is not by wether it has an opposite? Think about it. > > I could have used table instead of chair, but then I guess we > could always table the chair idea. > > Willblake2 > > On Aug 26, 2009, at 3:59:17 AM, "X Acto" <[email protected]> wrote: > From: "X Acto" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MD] Consciousness (explained?) > Date: August 26, 2009 3:59:17 AM PDT > To: [email protected] > Mark, > As the post reads, "chair" implies one, > it's is-ness. > to speak of nothing, implies something. > > As you state, there is no "non chair" > > opposites are implied in concepts. > > the concept of a thing, immediately suggests no-thing > > but we speak about nothing as if it were a thing. > > "chair" is a very general word to denote usefulness > > it could be a position one holds on a comittee > > or anything used to sit apon > > what kind of chair? > > -Ron > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: markhsmit <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:58:56 PM > Subject: Re: [MD] Consciousness (explained?) > > Ron, > what is the opposite of a chair? > > Willblake2 > > On Aug 23, 2009, at 6:21:58 AM, "X Acto" <[email protected]> wrote: > From: "X Acto" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MD] Consciousness (explained?) > Date: August 23, 2009 6:21:58 AM PDT > To: [email protected] > Mark, > and about reification of language > when intellectualizing > > any one word > immediatly implies it's opposite > it's IS-ness > > we understand words in relation to other words > > -Ron > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: markhsmit <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:57:22 PM > Subject: Re: [MD] Consciousness (explained?) > > Dwai, > > Is this the same thing as the mind being a mirror? > > Willblake2 > > On Aug 22, 2009, at 8:50:37 PM, "Dwaipayan Lahiri" < > [email protected]> wrote: > From: "Dwaipayan Lahiri" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MD] Consciousness (explained?) > Date: August 22, 2009 8:50:37 PM PDT > To: [email protected] > Can the Sun shine on it's own light? The Light is it's nature. > Consciousness is the nature of the subject. What it illuminates is > the object. > > Dwai Lahiri > Ph: 847-845-9956 > http://www.realsysadmin.com > [email protected] > > > > > On Aug 22, 2009, at 10:20 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > Bo, > > Can you explain for me the difference between 'subject/object' > > & 'the value of subject/object'. > > Craig > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
