-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of X Acto Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] [MD} The relativity of the MoQ
Ron: you not answering my questions is boring too Logic requires objective reasoning, it is constructed on the idea of concrete forms. S/o is a construction built into our cultural glasses. If not, and it's the natural way to see and interpret reality as a human being, then what is the use of MoQ? Marsha: The MoQ is a model of reality based on patterned experience and unpatterned experience that more accurately represents experience. How's that for reasoning, reasoning based on experience? Ron: Everything Pirsig says about SOM being an artifical construction, just "one of many ways to interpret reality" is therefore wrong and incorrect and makes SOM correct, the natural way humans see the world, other cultures are simply undeveloped. Marsha: Don't use that 'Everything' on me, Ron, I wasn't born yesterday. Ron: Other ways including DQ/SQ are false, it makes seeing things as patterns a construction and seeing things as objects natural. Marsha: I have no idea what this sentence points to. The recognition of patterns is seen from the DQ/sq level. Ron: DQ/SQ is simply a construction invented by a man named Robert Pirsig, he did not discover DQ/SQ under a microscope or in a supercollider he invented it. Marsha: The MoQ is a model that is a better representation of reality than the model of inherent existing subjects and objects. A reality that is experience as patterned and unpatterned. Ron: So why disregard the natural way we percieve reality for one mans invention? why call an object a collection of patterns? when an object is truer to our perception? Marsha: Because it rings true to my experience. An object is not truer to my experience, and the inherent existence of an object is illogical. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
