For Ron
2 Oct.:
I had said::
> I cannot see that "philosophic idealism" says anything else than
> "normal idealism", namely that (in Andre's words) "our
> world/universe is a figment of our imagination" and is SOM's
> subjective part. Why are you laboring inside SOM's premises believing
> that the MOQ is some subjectivist or spiritual movement? Which it
> isn't!
> "Objects are an idea" ... what utter nonsense. In a MOQ context
> subjects and objects - the S/O distinction - is the intellectual levels
> repertoire; An immense value but due to its static nature it will lead
> to paradoxes if treated as existence's fundament. Write that hundred
> times on your blackboard!!!!
Ron replied:
> There are two quotes from Lila chpter 4 which shed some light on the
> view you have:
"Margaret Mead said, 'He feared premature generalization like
the plague, and continually warned us against it.'
Generalization should be based on the facts and only on the
facts. 'It is indubitable that science was his religion,' Kroeber
said. 'He called his early convictions materialistic. Science
could tolerate nothing "subjective"; value judgments " and by
infection even values considered as phenomena - must be
absolutely excluded.'"
"By the time Phaedrus finished reading about Boas he was
confident he'd identified the source of the immune system he
was up against, the same immune system that had so rejected
Dusenberry's views. It was classical nineteenth-century
science and its insistence that science is only a method for
determining what is true and not a body of beliefs in itself.
There have been many schools of anthropological theory other
than Boas' but Phaedrus could find none that opposed him on
the matter of scientific objectivity."
How you see this as defying my assertion that the 4th level is the S/O
distinction (in the "objective-over-subjective" sense) is beyond me.
Boas was the epitome of the scientific - objective - approach and
science is the intellectual level's foremost pattern, and this is what
Pirsig's felt his Quality system was "up against". It more than anything
proves the SOL and moreover that the MOQ is something beyond
intellect.
Bodvar
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