[Ham] > In the absence of this sensible agent, neither the universe nor its inferred >Value (Quality) > exists.
Some parts of the universe--like bridges or paintings--would not exist in the "absence of sensible agents". But on closer inspection they are made of metal & oil which not only predate humans but all life forms on earth. Pirsig's insight was that the universe that is not directly observed could consist of quarks, strings or m-branes; have electrons with circular orbits or shells; have 4 or 17 dimensions--in short, whatever works. But from the fact that we create the STRUCTURE of the universe that best explains it, it doesn't follow that we create the universe itself or that it wouldn't exist without us. Craig Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
