[Platt]
No problem there. But it's clear that your description is just that,
a description of what happens, not how or why it happens
[Arlo]
Willful ignorance. Emergence describes "how". As to "why", emergence,
along with the MOQ, posits a why that is planless, un-orchestrated,
un-controlled, un-manipulated, and free. Theories of Emergence, I
agree, have yet to understand all this occurs as a RESPONSE TO
Quality, as Pirsig theorizes.
[Platt]
As you point out, the MOQ posits Quality, a "controlling force," as a
reason for such changes.
[Arlo]
Quality is no more a "controlling force" than the sun controls the
temperature of our planet. There is no willful manipulation, no
orchestration, and no intent. A "controlling force" is simply your
ongoing theistic drumbeat.
What you seem to always miss, is that "control" eliminates "freedom".
If Quality "controls" things, then things are not "free", they are
mere machinations of Quality's Will. "Control", like the term you
propose below "produce", implies not only will and intent, but
orchestration and design. All things that pervert the MOQ into a
theism, and remove from the MOQ its beautiful core... "freedom to
response to DQ".
And with this "freedom" inherent in the MOQ's explanation, is
"chance". Nothing ever "has to" or "had to" respond in any way with
certainty. All things that we see in hindsight were never "certain",
they were driven by the appearance of the unexpected (DQ) in turn
becoming value-preferences (SQ) when that unexpected had some "good" results.
You seem so very intent on demanding a external agent that
orchestrates and designs, one that has created your particular
existence with some grandiose cosmic purpose and significance. What
you fail to see is that in doing so, you are eliminating the freedom
in the MOQ that Pirsig's brilliance has extended away from "man" and
down beneath the subatomic levels. You remove "freedom" to give
yourself "purpose". An awful trade-off, and one that is not the MOQ.
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