Hi Platt and All --

Hi Ham,

I would respectfully suggest that so long as you think of morality
as confined to humans and human social patterns you will never
grasp the significance of Pirsig's metaphysics. What he has done
is extend the idea of morality to all behavior including the behavior
of atoms, viruses, bugs, plants and animals. ...

Many of us are convinced that Pirsig's bold move has resulted in
a better description of reality than has heretofore been offered by
any philosophy. In Lila he shows why he and we believe this to be so.

I think of morality as the human being's response to value. There is no way a human can judge the "morality" of an ineffable Creator other than as a magnanimous being, which Essence is not. I can understand the concept of morality extended to insentient beings as a romantic paradigm for evolution and observed behavior. But Pirsig also said "experience is the cutting edge of reality."

Have you ever considered the possibility that man delineates or "carves out" of objective otherness a physical representation of his value-sensibility, so that the goals of experiential reality express his moral and intellectual values? When we say that "the universe is intelligently designed," by whose intelligence is the design measured? Since man is the measure of all things, it is he whose esthetic sensibility objectivizes "designs" and who pronounces them "intelligent", "beautiful", or "moral". What I'm suggesting is that Essential Value not only provides the "substantive nature" of the objects in man's experiential reality, it choreographs their behavior as well.

I am not doubting the "boldness" or beauty of Pirsig's paradigm, only the logic of it. There is no morality in a universe that exists and "evolves to betterness" for its own sake. I stand by my statement that imputing morality to either the Creator or the created world denies man the freedom to realize value and make it the foundation for his own morality. As arguably one of the last holdouts for an anthropocentric universe, I believe this to be the meaning and purpose of human existence.

Warmest regards,
Ham

On 6 Dec 2009 at 1:39, Ham Priday wrote:

John, Joe, Mark and All --

I wasn't able to locate the post in which Joe insisted that man couldn't be moral unless morality were an intrinsic law of the universe, like gravity,
imposed on him.  But when I tried to make the point that man "invents"
morality, rather than the other way around, John jumped in to take issue
with me:

[John, on 12/1]:
> But that point is the point with which I disagree.  It makes more sense
> that the moral structure of the cosmos produces man, who retains
> recognition in his being of this intrinsic morality. ...
>
> The distinction is between morality and freedom.  You say you couldn't
> have freedom if there was intrinsic morality and I say you couldn't > have
> freedom UNLESS there was intrinsic morality.

There is a gross misunderstanding of Freedom here, and it stems from
Pirsig's theory of "universal" Quality (DQ) that would deny existence a
cognitive value agent. In my opinion, this distorts not only the concept of human freedom but the Quality (Value) sensibility that supports it. Such a
worldview essentially eliminates the moral autonomy of man whose role as
choice-maker is the very core of morality.  And the blame for this
prevarication falls squarely on the shoulders of MoQ's author.

Since the Freedom issue is central to philosophy in general, yet conspicuous by its absence in the MoQ specifically, I decided it warranted a thread of
its own.

In 'The Discovery of Freedom', published over half a century ago, Rose
Wilder Lane writes:
"Very few men have ever known that men are free.  Among this earth's
population now, few know that fact.  For six thousand years at least, a
majority has generally believed in pagan gods. ... The pagan view of the
universe is that it is static, motionless, limited, and controlled by an
Authority ...that all individuals are, and by their nature should and must
be, controlled by some Authority outside themselves.  ...[But] a time
comes when every normal man is a responsible human being.  His energy
creates a part of the whole human world of his time.  He is free; he is
self-controlling and responsible, because he generates his energy and
controls it.
No one and nothing else can control it."

The MoQ thesis does not endorse this view.  Instead it promulgates the
notion that man evolves through biological and social levels in order to
"intellectualize" goodness as something in Nature to which he must "attach"
himself.  But if this were true, the virtues of mankind -- compassion,
generosity, honesty, honor -- would have to be culled or extracted from
the universal "DQ bank".  Pirsigians look upon these values as "behavior
patterns" observed in enlightened people and advanced societies, rather
than responses to proprietary sensibility.

I have repeatedly argued that if the universe were intrinsically moral, the
issue of Morality would never even arise.  All living creatures would
automatically behave as programmed by Nature's Goodness.  But the
universe is patently not moral, as the "law of the jungle" demonstrates,
and no amount of intellect is going to moralize evolution. That's because
morality doesn't come from the universe.  Only human beings have the
value sensibility to establish a moral code and the reasoning ability to
live by it.

If we could view the universe as "intelligently designed" (which doesn't
require theism), we would see that man is individuated from the objective
world of his experience so that he may independently assess its value,
thereby gaining an "external perspective" of the primary source "unbiased" by absolute knowledge. This perspective "colors" the being of existence to reflect the individual's sensibilities as well as the aspirations of his culture.
And, precisely because he is not a robot of Nature programmed to
follow a prescribed course, he is free to exercise decisions that adapt the world to his social, biological and intellectual needs and ideals. That man is the choicemaker of his universe is demonstrated by the history of human
civilization -- particularly the tremendous increases in life-expectancy,
productivity, and practical knowledge, and the accelerated advances in
communication, transportation, industry and commerce achieved over
just the last two centuries.

Human Freedom is not simply a noble aphorism invented by moralists and
legislators.  The "unalienable rights" sanctioned by America's Founders
alludes to a cosmic principle that applies even to individuals living in
servitude. Far more than a social right or a political entitlement, Freedom is the scenario needed for the full appreciation of Value. It forces us to weigh and choose personal values in the context of an indeterminate reality,
while at the same time affording us a singular opportunity to "make a
difference" in our own life-experience and, by example, in the community
of mankind at large.

In summary, I maintain that it is a moral travesty to dismiss or reject the discriminative and rational faculties with which human beings are uniquely
endowed.  To do so demeans our species and slights the individual's role
as the free agent of experiential value.

Essentially speaking,
Ham

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