Good morning, Joe --
Hi Ham and all,
To deny existence to something experienced by all sentient beings
is to talk in circles. 'Nothing' is the only logical non-existent in our
language. In your criteria for existence 'quality' is conspicuously
absent while 'quantity' holds the first place. This places mathematics
as the only logical discipline. Mathematics has no logic for an
absolutely indivisible essence.
I do not deny that existence is what is experienced. I'm denying that
existence is ultimate reality. Quality (or what I call 'value') is the
individual's immanent esthetic sensibility; it is sensed prior to experience
and is the "qualitative ground" of experiential awareness. Epistemologists
have defined what we apprehend qualitatively as "qualia". (I haven't seen
the need to emphasize valuistic experience because it's primary and
self-evident.)
Your assertion that mathematics is "the only logical discipline" is
debatable, but it has no relevance to qualia or the appreciation of value.
It is true that quantitive information is "universal" in that it's the
component of our experience that is measurable and can be confirmed by
others. But that's because quantitative data is intellectually constructed
as an 'add-on' to qualia in order to make existential reality correspond to
the universal model.
As Pirsig tried to demonstrate with his "hot stove" analogy, our immediate
experience is qualitatively derived by differentiating Essential Value into
qualia. This is the process by which we intellectualize physical reality.
You're "almost there", Joe. I would suggest, however, that you drop the
mathematical/logic criteria which is useless here and can only confuse the
issue we're discussing.
Thanks for following me along this far.
Essentially yours,
Ham
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