On 12/14/09 11:18 PM, "Ham Priday" <[email protected]> wrote:
What is "manifested" is the appearance of beingness that we call existence. What is Real is the source of this appearance. The source (or "cause") is logically primary to the effect. Here is the "logic" as I see it: Mathematics (the ordered system of numbers) requires the "primacy" of 1. Existence (the ordered system of differentiation) requires the primacy of Essence. Your Calcium analogy is based on the pluralistic "essences" of platonic idealism which does not relate to my Absolute Essence. There are no "essences" in Nature other than realized (objectivized) Value. I'm not expecting you to agree with me, Joe. But since the conclusions you were drawing were inconsistent with my ontology, I thought it advisable to further clarify my metaphysical position. At least your complaints should now relate directly to my concepts rather than to assumptions you've drawn from statements out of context. Thanks for helping me understand your thoughts more clearly. Essentially yours, Ham Hi Ham, I am sorry that I did not understand your ontology. Thank you for explaining further. IMHO Following the logic derived from Pirsig¹s description of DQ/SQ, I would have to respectfully disagree with your argument that existence is the appearance of beingness, an (ordered system of differentiation) which requires the primacy of Essence. IMHO Without existence essence is imaginary. Thus an imaginary primacy rests in the existence of an abstracted essence discovered through abstraction from the individual existent, which requires the faculties of an imaginary mind. Essence is created in the imagination rather than a created source of being. Realized Value is also an abstraction of an imaginary image from existential individuality. Again I am sorry if I am not stating your ontology correctly. Joe > What is "manifested" is the appearance of beingness that we call existence. > What is Real is the source of this appearance. The source (or "cause") is > logically primary to the effect. > > Here is the "logic" as I see it: > Mathematics (the ordered system of numbers) requires the "primacy" of 1. > Existence (the ordered system of differentiation) requires the primacy of > Essence. > > Your Calcium analogy is based on the pluralistic "essences" of platonic > idealism which does not relate to my Absolute Essence. There are no > "essences" in Nature other than realized (objectivized) Value. > > I'm not expecting you to agree with me, Joe. But since the conclusions you > were drawing were inconsistent with my ontology, I thought it advisable to > further clarify my metaphysical position. At least your complaints should > now relate directly to my concepts rather than to assumptions you've drawn > from statements out of context. > > Thanks for helping me understand your thoughts more clearly. > > Essentially yours, > Ham Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
