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17 Dec.:
> > Was Jesus "selfish" and "egoistic" because his acts "filled his
> > heart with joy"?
> > Was Jesus' beliefs "chosen to make him feel superior"?
I don't know what brought up the Jesus issue, but I remember
discussing his role with Case/Krimel and I still think the MOQ throws a
new light on Jesus and Christendom as it does on everything else.
If SOM - or the intellectual level as is my thesis - emerged in Greece at
the known time and the Rome was a continuation of the Geek culture,
the mythological gods the most conspicuous heritage, but surely the
SOM in a very general way which manifested among other things in
Roman Law - an objective "find the facts" approach, no longer the
(social) gods bringing justice and/or revenge. Surviving as the "Sharia"
law of Islam.
Jesus was born Into a Roman-occupied Judea and even if it was a
speck in the empire it represented the stronghold of the social
(religious) culture that the Greece (at its end ) had emerged from.
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An aside: Before the Greek's intellectual break-out the social-
mythological reality was universal (leading edge). In the the Judea
region the mythological many-gods had developed into monotheism -
and since Christendom is so tightly connected with this, monotheism
is presented as God's victory over paganism, but is merely a
refinement, solidly inside the 3rd. level.
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Jesus' divinity and all that jazz I pass lightly over, my contention is that
he was a sensitive antenna for what new in his times and he picked up
the new "intellectual" vibrations and it became his mission to break the
social (Judaism) bonds and introduce a new human worth and - rights
into the region.
His miracles - which was that eras "obsession" - I also pass lightly
over. What interests me is the new light the MOQ throws on Jesus'
"attack" on the Mosaic tradition, that this was intellect's secular/religion
schism which is the hallmark of modernity, the lack of which prevents
democracy from of the Muslim World, and explains their hatred of
"Western Values". At that time however Islam was still in the future,
but its birth was an effort to stem the influx of Christendom after the
Exodus of the Jews and Christendom becoming the state religion of
the Romans.
Anyway, my point is that Christendom was an intellectual break with
the social-steeped Judaism. Still, for fifteen hundred years it continued
in the old-testamental "divine" trend, but with the Renaissance Jesus'
true intellectual message came to the fore and from then on
Christendom has moved away from its Semitic roots and become
more and more "intellectual", in Europe at least with the theological-
scientific research into Jesus' historical reality and less emphasis on
his divine role..
But the static intellectual level - as SOM - is as unsatisfactory as the
static social level and I hope/think Christendom will merge with the
MOQ and become a Western "Buddhism/Taoism" ... in a far future
according to the current understanding of the MOQ.
Bodvar
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