Hey, you guys are actually conversing and discussing individual responsibility, gumption, enthusiasm, and self-worth? I am excited to see it happen. The undercurrent of pessimism is somewhat disconcerting, but I believe we can build on that.
It is my opinion and I think I heard some of this here, that the current two party system is corrupt. One party wants to inflate, tax and spend and the other wants to inflate, borrow and spend. Both of them have us by the balls, and refuse to stop squeezing. My apologies to the ladies. Unfortunately, as long as we systemically denigrate individual action, which requires gumption, responsibility, care and hard work, all things that come from and create quality, we are going to continue to get what we have been getting the last 100 years. I have a small voice, but I can see some changes in the people that I meet. We have been talking about individual liberty and quality and how the two things are inseparable. I just started reading Frederick Bastiat's "The Law", http://bastiat.org/, and he describes how quality and the inalienable rights we each inherit from quality, which are life, liberty and property come before any government or in MOQ lingo any social or intellectual edifice. He refers to God, but I can imagine Dynamic Quality as the force that provides these virtues. If you are actually thinking about doing something constructive, then by eliminating the central bank here in the USA we can remove the strangle hold that the two party system has on us. By removing the ability to steal our money by inflating it, which is the core principle of a central bank, then the congress will be forced to actually ask for tax increases to fund the craziness that they want to continue subjecting us to. Eventually, even die-hard socialists get tired of having all their hard work stolen from them so tax increases will fail and congress will have to stop spending. In this I have staked my children's future. I really want them to know what Freedom is like. Todd -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Platt Holden Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] The American Ruling Class Hey John, What is "communal action?" Is that anything like community organizing? Speaking of "egoistic selfish desires," Mother Theresa was a shining example. What she did filled her heart with joy. Your friend, Platt On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM, John Carl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > "My personal feeling is that this is how any further improvement of the > > world will be done: by individuals making Quality decisions and that´s > all. > > > > Well personal feelings aside, we know intellectually that the only way the > world ever improves is by communal action. There isn't a darn thing that > changes when one lone individual makes Quality decisions, unless those > decisions redirect a social relationship towards Quality. The society can > be quite small, but world-class improvements have to be performed by > world-class societies. > > > > > God, I don´t want to have any more enthusiasm for big programs full of > > social planning for big masses of people that leave individual Quality > > out. > > > Yeah, me neither. But sometimes you can't help yourself. Enthusiasm > bubbles up from beyond, evidently. Where does enthusiasm come from? Same > place as hypothesis's I guess, and over which we have as little control. > > > > > These can be left alone for a while. > > > Great, sure. you bet. How long? Forever and ever? I mean, this was > written when? I remember there was a lot of this enthusiasm floating > around > back in the 70's for big social programs, mostly leading nowhere. So does > that mean we can just do away with it completely? Because it seems to me, > Mr. Pirsig, that since those days your individualistic stance has gained > wide hold, and the concommitant drop in communal interaction has just > driven > people to ever more isolation and getting their cultural needs met through > mediated-techno placebos which makes 'em more isolated, which drives them > more inward, which.... > > > > > There´s a place for them > > > > I definitely agree! > > > > > but > > they´ve got to be built on a foundation of Quality within the individuals > > involved. > > > > I agree there too. But since that is an individualistic effort - Quality > within individuals involved - it makes the whole thing hopeless because of > the problems I outlined above. I mean, I'm perfectly content to stand back > and let individuals evolve their own Quality. But the dark powers in > charge > seem to want to degrade individuals in order to get them ignorant and > pliable and fond of McDonalds and happy in WalMart. So the bad guys > recruit > and the good guys shut up. How long do you think this pattern can continue > before we're all totally screwed? > > > > > We´ve had that individual Quality in the past, exploited it as a > > natural resource without knowing it, and now it´s just about depleted. > > Everyone´s just about out of gumption. And I think it´s about time to > > return to the rebuilding of this American resource...individual worth. > > > > > There used to be a great pride in the basis of morality for capitalism. > Our > enemy,the godless communists, failed, we claimed, through exactly this > means of moral superiority. Adam Smith's theories only work when populated > by moral people. Morals were our strength, and you'd think a book that > enquired into them would be a valuable resource, but unfortunately, Rigel > had a point when he claimed that freeing up people to think about their > morals and choose them has had some surprisingly negative effects. Mostly > what they decide makes a Quality decision, is that which rewards the > egoistic selfish desires. > > I don't blame ZAMM for that movement, I blame the social media (tv) not the > intellectual (books). > > > > > > There are political reactionaries who´ve been saying something close to > > this for years. I´m not one of them, but to the extent they´re talking > > about > > real individual worth and not just an excuse for giving more money to > > the rich, they´re right. We do need a return to individual integrity, > self- > > reliance and old-fashioned gumption. We really do." > > > > > This gumption and real individual worth are created by interaction with > community - a social context and by stories told to the young. > > The current generation has been given over to central programming from > birth, and since this generation can't even imagine the world you and I are > old enough to remember, and since this generation is suckled at an > electronic teat that has NO motivation for teaching self-reliance, > integrity > or gumption, (who'd buy cosmetics for men if we did that?) I'd say we need > new words to help us in our crucial hour. > > > > "Self-reliance." Not a word you often hear from the ruling elite > > (Hollywood, politicians, academics and the major media) these days. > > > > Platt > > > There ya go. Platt's got it exactly right. Just add in big business > board rooms as part of the evil consortium, and you've got the whole > picture. If you describe Liberal and Conservative, I see a two-headed > giant that every time one is attacked, the other just gets stronger and > the giant gets bigger. > > John Carl the fan of the Grinch > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
