Greetings Bruce, "Chaos" is a postulate. We absolute pragmatists do not approve of mere postulates as fundamentals in our metphyisics.
Next you'll be attempting to convince me of "substance" or "phlogoston" or "unpatterned experience". heh-heh. John the Empiricist at whim On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Bruce Underwood < [email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Magnus, > > As I see it, Chaos is not a level nor is Quality. Levels represent a place > in time on the evolutionary scale and current status of Static patterns of > quality. Each level represents a ratchet point that attempts to protect > itself and it's achievements. Quality's goal is to organize the best system > possible, the ultimate static pattern. The ultimate destruction of all > static patterns is total chaos... no static patterns. Check out slide 9, > "Lila Train of Knowledge". > > Thanks, > > Bruce > > ---------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:36:37 +0100 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [MD] What is the opposite of Quality? > > > > Hi Bruce > > > > Nice presentation, I see you put a lot of effort into it. I have two main > > objections though. > > > > * Quality is supposed to be all of reality. If Quality had an opposite, > the > > reality it was trying to encompass has to be larger than Quality. That > would > > mean it had failed to encompass all of reality. I.e. Quality doesn't have > an > > opposite. > > > > * You put chaos below the inorganic level, but lower levels are supposed > to be > > more static, whereas chaos isn't static at all. I guess you didn't intend > chaos > > to be a new level, but then you need to describe what it is, and as I > said > > above, it can't be the opposite of Quality. > > > > Regards, > > > > Magnus > > > > > > > > > > On 2010-01-05 17:04, Bruce Underwood wrote: > >> Hello All, > >> > >> I have attached a link to a powerpoint that contain graphical > representations of how I see MoQ. This ppt file contains 22 slides from many > of my thoughts and ideas and is best viewed in presentation mode. > >> > >> The initial question is what is the opposite of Quality? After reading > Lila, I felt like something was missing from my mental image. For me, it was > the understanding of what the opposite of Quality is. It dawned on me that > Quality is really organization. Quality is the evolution of organization; > the driving force to organize the best systems of "energy". The opposite of > organization is disorganization or chaos. This reminded me of the second law > of thermodynamics: The universal law of increasing entropy, stating that > every system left to its own devices always tends to move from order to > disorder. The initial slides depict this in a few ways: Yin/Yang, tug-of > war, and Quality pulling against the gravity of chaos. > >> > >> If there is an opposite side to Quality and that being chaos, is there a > dynamic chaos or is it static and constant? > >> > >> Perhaps this is my feeble attempt to philosophize and not get too bogged > down into "philosophology",but regardless putting this in a visual form > helped me gather my thoughs. > >> > >> http://www.thinnerself.com/files/MoQ/lila-6a.ppt > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Bruce > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. > >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
