Mary, You wanted to tell me that your opinion of my opinion is not useful to you. Okay.
Marsha On Jan 9, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Mary wrote: >> There has been an ongoing low-level disagreement between you and >> Marsha about her "Wooly headed" meanderings into Buddhism. I agree, >> though likely not for the same reasons you do. IMHO, these "moon >> meanderings" are nice, but are not useful to me. I cannot use any of >> Marsha's statements to assist me with solving a computer problem, >> getting my son to do his homework, or cooking dinner. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of MarshaV > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 11:37 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Intellect's Symposium > > > Mary, > > Why did you address this to me? > > > Marsha > > > > > > On Jan 9, 2010, at 11:52 AM, Mary wrote: > >> Hi Bo, Marsha and all, >> >> I do not know who Paul Turner is, and I do not know why Pirsig wrote to > him, >> nor when. Perhaps you can point me to these letters? Based on the > snippets >> you quote, though, I am disturbed. He appears to be watering down the >> original MoQ. I hate to see it. >> >> I started rereading Lila for the first time in 10 years just the other >> night. I am on Page 37 of the Bantam paperback. Yes, I am a slow reader, >> and also, my job prevents me from having much free time to do anything. >> Someday, someone will invent software that is smart enough to fix itself. >> At which time I will no longer have a job. There will be a day when this >> happens to most of us. It has already happened to many. Cloud Computing > is >> bad news for those of us in the computer field. Anyway, so far in the > book, >> everything is an object lesson in the (not yet revealed) definition of the >> Social level. A good place to start. >> >> Early on, Pirsig mentions that he considered naming the MoQ the > "Metaphysics >> of Value". I kind of wish he had stuck with that, at least as far as it >> relates to the levels. IMHO, the difference between the levels lie not in >> their mechanical differences, but in what they _value_. Why is it so hard >> for many to see that the Intellectual level has _nothing_ to do with IQ, >> thinking, or thinking about thinking? That set of patterns has been there >> to one degree or another from the very start. To argue with me about this >> requires you to convince me that the people who wrote the old testament > were >> of a different species. There is plenty of "intellect" in the Biological >> level. There is plenty of "intellect" in computer systems today too. Are >> computers operating on the Intellectual level? >> >> As I see it the S/O split has existed from time immemorial. My dog >> understands that she is different from the dog food she is eating, and me > - >> who scratches her behind her ears. No, she does not recognize herself in > a >> mirror, but you gotta remember that dogs "see" the world mainly in terms > of >> scent. They only see in black, white, and red (handy to see blood if you >> are a carnivore, I think). When she looks at herself in the mirror, there >> are no smells coming back to her. Same if I show her a picture of a dog. >> In her world these things have no value, because they do not smell like > the >> thing they represent. So much of science is homo-centric. The mirror > test >> somebody mentioned is a prime example. IMO, this is pseudo-science, ripe >> for starting a religion around, as all pseudo-science is. >> >> The S/O split did not start with Aristotle. He was an individual with a >> name, among a group of other individuals with names. Any situation where >> naming is involved indicates that the S/O split is long entrenched. >> Wouldn't you agree? The S/O split began in the Biological level, serves > an >> essential purpose, and is a very necessary pattern of value if you want to >> get through the day. It works. If I am one with the Universe (i.e., the >> Universe is me and I am it), why not try to position my car in the exact >> same location in space and time as your car? I believe this is otherwise >> known as a car wreck. >> >> There has been an ongoing low-level disagreement between you and Marsha >> about her "Wooly headed" meanderings into Buddhism. I agree, though > likely >> not for the same reasons you do. IMHO, these "moon meanderings" are nice, >> but are not useful to me. I cannot use any of Marsha's statements to > assist >> me with solving a computer problem, getting my son to do his homework, or >> cooking dinner. >> >> Mary's definition of the Intellectual Level based on Lila: It is the >> pattern of values which hold seeking the truth above all preconceived >> notions and strongly held beliefs. It is the pattern of value that takes >> the personal ego out of the equation. The Intellectual level values > finding >> the truth - even if it turns out that you are wrong. >> >> Best wishes, >> Mary >> - The most important thing you will ever make is a realization. >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Shoot for the moon. 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