Bodvar to virtually all of us: Yes, you bet, metaphysics in the the true MOQ sense is reality, that's the very point!
Hello Bodvar and All: When I read this, something dawned on me but couldn?t give it expression until I lay, quietly on my electric blanket (it is fucking freezing here!). Then it came to me...the passage in ZMM (I think) where Phaedrus has a conversation with a priest and they are talking about the liturgy, the most sacred part: when the wine changes into blood, and the bread changes into the body of Christ. Phaedrus asks along the lines of; (sorry I do not have a copy of ZMM with me) yes, but this is symbolically..yeS??. No! says the priest, this is real. At that moment, the wine and bread change into the actual blood and body of Jesus Christ! Christians all over the world actually and factually believe that this is indeed the case. And, further more, the Bible is of course seen, not as a book full of stories ( if I may take the liberty, as a book full of fingers pointing to the moon!!) but as the actual word of God. [Mark]: In response to Andre. So Andre, you believe that it is not the word of God. Let me remind you that that is a belief too, no more or less than to believe it is. However, your posts sounds rather righteous, as if you believe that your belief is correct. How did you get to this higher level? How is it that your belief somehow is more right than, say, a Christian's? In fact your belief is so blind, that you think that it is somehow outside the system of beliefs, somehow the right way to believe. Once you realize the relative nature of beliefs, that is, that they are just opinions, you may see a little more. So, yes, the wine is the blood of Christ to those that believe it, and it is not to those who believe otherwise. There is no right or wrong, unless you believe you are God. But of course if your system of belief is that there isn't one, then you are something else that is all knowing, or not. There is a God and there isn't a God, both are correct. No need to take sides. Cheers, Mark http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I80FVFCHHNE&feature=response_watch Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
