On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:59 AM, markhsmit wrote:
Hi Mark, Very interesting post. It kind of has the ring of analogues all the way down. I do like that, but in my understanding, conventionally, or statically speaking, some patterns are conventionally more useful than others. This would make the levels more important. Should I be a "believer" in God because it's a social imperative? If it's to avoid being burned at the stake, it might be a smart idea to state that one believes in God, but for any intellectual reason, then I don't think so. Marsha > Bodvar to virtually all of us: > > Yes, you bet, metaphysics in the the true MOQ sense is reality, that's > the very point! > Hello Bodvar and All: > When I read this, something dawned on me but couldn?t give it > expression until I lay, quietly on my electric blanket (it is fucking > freezing here!). > Then it came to me...the passage in ZMM (I think) where Phaedrus has a > conversation with a priest and they are talking about the liturgy, the > most sacred part: when the wine changes into blood, and the bread > changes into the body of Christ. Phaedrus asks along the lines of; > (sorry I do not have a copy of ZMM with me) yes, but this is > symbolically..yeS??. No! says the priest, this is real. At that > moment, the wine and bread change into the actual blood and body of > Jesus Christ! > Christians all over the world actually and factually believe that this > is indeed the case. And, further more, the Bible is of course seen, > not as a book full of stories ( if I may take the liberty, as a book > full of fingers pointing to the moon!!) but as the actual word of God. > [Mark]: In response to Andre. > So Andre, you believe that it is not the word of God. Let me remind > you that that is a belief too, no more or less than to believe it is. > However, your posts sounds rather righteous, as if you believe > that your belief is correct. How did you get to this higher level? > How is it that your belief somehow is more right than, say, a > Christian's? In fact your belief is so blind, that you think that > it is somehow outside the system of beliefs, somehow the right way to > believe. Once you realize the relative nature of beliefs, > that is, that they are just opinions, you may see a little more. > So, yes, the wine is the blood of Christ to those that believe it, > and it is not to those who believe otherwise. There is > no right or wrong, unless you believe you are God. But of course if > your system of belief is that there isn't one, then you are something > else that is all knowing, or not. There is a God and there isn't a > God, both are correct. No need to take sides. > > Cheers, > Mark _______________________________________________________________________ Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars... Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
