Hi Mark, I would think that not to believe in God would be the more moral and logical decision. God is a social construction taught and assumed since childhood. The MoQ states that Quality is reality is experience. Will you deny experience?
Marsha On Jan 13, 2010, at 11:51 PM, markhsmit wrote: > Hi Marsha, > Yes, analogies or systems all the way down and up. Which is of course > an analogy in itself. You speak of the liberty of belief in one thing or > another. I do not believe that exists. Can one force him/herself to > believe in something. Belief exists because it feels right, not because it > is convenient. If a belief in God is not intellectual, then no belief is. > It is > easy to confuse complexity for intellect, but it is all the same, to me at > least. > > Cheers, > Mark > On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:04:59 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > From: MarshaV <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MD] Metaphysics > Date: January 11, 2010 12:04:59 AM PST > To: [email protected] > > On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:59 AM, markhsmit wrote: > > > > Hi Mark, > > Very interesting post. It kind of has the ring of analogues all the way > down. I do like that, but in my understanding, conventionally, or statically > speaking, some patterns are conventionally more useful than others. > This would make the levels more important. Should I be a "believer" in > God because it's a social imperative? If it's to avoid being burned at the > stake, it might be a smart idea to state that one believes in God, but for > any intellectual reason, then I don't think so. > > > Marsha > > > > >> Bodvar to virtually all of us: >> >> Yes, you bet, metaphysics in the the true MOQ sense is reality, that's >> the very point! > >> Hello Bodvar and All: >> When I read this, something dawned on me but couldn?t give it >> expression until I lay, quietly on my electric blanket (it is fucking >> freezing here!). >> Then it came to me...the passage in ZMM (I think) where Phaedrus has a >> conversation with a priest and they are talking about the liturgy, the >> most sacred part: when the wine changes into blood, and the bread >> changes into the body of Christ. Phaedrus asks along the lines of; >> (sorry I do not have a copy of ZMM with me) yes, but this is >> symbolically..yeS??. No! says the priest, this is real. At that >> moment, the wine and bread change into the actual blood and body of >> Jesus Christ! >> Christians all over the world actually and factually believe that this >> is indeed the case. And, further more, the Bible is of course seen, >> not as a book full of stories ( if I may take the liberty, as a book >> full of fingers pointing to the moon!!) but as the actual word of God. > >> [Mark]: In response to Andre. >> So Andre, you believe that it is not the word of God. Let me remind >> you that that is a belief too, no more or less than to believe it is. >> However, your posts sounds rather righteous, as if you believe >> that your belief is correct. How did you get to this higher level? >> How is it that your belief somehow is more right than, say, a >> Christian's? In fact your belief is so blind, that you think that >> it is somehow outside the system of beliefs, somehow the right way to >> believe. Once you realize the relative nature of beliefs, >> that is, that they are just opinions, you may see a little more. >> So, yes, the wine is the blood of Christ to those that believe it, >> and it is not to those who believe otherwise. There is >> no right or wrong, unless you believe you are God. But of course if >> your system of belief is that there isn't one, then you are something >> else that is all knowing, or not. There is a God and there isn't a >> God, both are correct. No need to take sides. >> >> Cheers, >> Mark > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars... > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ _______________________________________________________________________ Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars... Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
