John, But I am thinking there are some pretty dumb scientists out there. But I suppose they had to be kids once; I guess maybe you are correct.
Marsha On Jan 12, 2010, at 3:01 PM, John Carl wrote: > Marsha, > > I remember a comment by John Gatto in Dumbing Us Down where he lays the > blame at the feet of two different entities - school and tv. It has to be > one or both of those, he says, because that's really all kids get. Those > are the two sources of values-transmission. there ain't nothin' else. > > John > > > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:57 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Hi John, >> >> It's just the the media. I've heard professors of astrophysics and >> particle physics >> talk with a certainty that made me angry: "This isn't just mathematics, >> it's real." >> Or I mentioned at the Hayden Planetarium Whoopi Goldberg stating "It's true >> because the scientists have discovered it to be true." Many of these >> scientists >> seem as narrow-minded as any medieval church Inquisitor. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:59 PM, John Carl wrote: >> >>>> [Arlo] >>>> As with all theories, those who hold them understand they are metaphors, >>>> analogies, descriptions that best serve to illuminate the unseeable >> Void. >>> >>> >>> Ok Arlo, I'm gonna lay out for you my particular rant now. Pay close >>> attention and please don't jump to conclusions based on past arguments >> with >>> others. I'm certainly not a knee-jerk talk show follower, ok? >>> >>> The fact that those who hold the theories understand them to be just >> that, >>> is true. But the way it works in the modern age, intellectualism takes a >>> diabolical twist. Because the theoretical knowledge, gleaned by >> analytical >>> minds, is encapsulated and transmitted via powerful media imagery into >> the >>> homes of millions, and these millions don't really think through the >>> philosophical underpinnings of theory and analogistic ways of thinking. >>> They pretty much take what they see as truth. They conflate the image >> with >>> the word, they confuse the reality they see (an artificial construct) as >> the >>> same thing as "the truth of the experts". They believe they understand >> the >>> origins of life, the universe and everything. >>> >>> >>> Ellul helped me to see all this, and he points to the culprit as the >> CHURCH >>> that started it all. The medieval church with its icons and painted >>> representation, heck, even the crucifix, all this imagery was constructed >> to >>> impress upon the minds of the masses the hidden priestly truths of the >>> bible, a seeingly noble and efficient means but unfortunately, expressly >>> forbidden by the same tome they touted. >>> >>> Read the second commandment sometime in a non-catholic bible. >>> >>> They did far more damage to society than Aristotle, for nowadays this >>> technique is unleashed upon a supposedly democratic nation, with the >> result >>> being the deluded and ignorant masses see something on tv, they don't >> take >>> it analogistically, they take it as reality itself. And this has worse >>> effects than cosmological ignorance. It's got great political >> significance. >>> >>> >>> I'd feel sorry for most of them, but Krimel really oughta know better. >>> >>> Honestly, when he mentioned watching Nova, I literally fell on the floor >>> laughing. >>> >>> John, eschewer of the glowing idol of the AwDga cult >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ _______________________________________________________________________ Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars... Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
