Hi Bo, Bo to Case [Krimel]: > I didn't catch your point, but I ask you to employ > your intelligence on the issue at hand which is purely logical not > particularly MOQish. Namely if Pirsig's Quality/MOQ meta- > metaphysics that Steve wields is logically valid? That there is a > QUALITY other than the DQ of the MOQ and independent of it? For > instance if there comes a "metaphysics" that rejects the MOQ it is still > a "MOQ"?
Steve: Let's not confuse "THE MOQ" (Pirsig's Metaphysics of Quality) with "AN moQ" (some other metaphysics of Quality). Not only is some hypothetical future metaphysics that rejects Pirsig's MOQ still potentially a metaphysics of Quality, but SOM is already a metaphysics of quality according to Pirsig in Lila: "There already is a metaphysics of quality. A subject-object metaphysics is in fact a metaphysics in which the first division of Quality-the first slice of undivided experience-is into subjects and objects." Bo: > For instance Quantum Theory predicts a pretty weird world (the > "Schrodinger Cat" f.ex) but the physicists deny any "objective" > Newtonian - even Einsteinian - reality" outside Quantum Theory (QT). > Now, QT is only necessary for sub.atomic events, ordinary physics > works fine otherwise. I compare this with the MOQ which is only > needed for the ultimate view. For ordinary purposes its intellectual > level - SOM - works fine, but Steve insists on a som-like "objective" > Quality that the MOQ is just one possible explanation of.This is deeply > wrong, MOQ's Quality Reality only exists within the MOQ. Steve: There is no such thing as "objective" Quality in the MOQ other than as inorganic and biological patterns of value. Quality precedes this objective-subjective metaohsyical distinction you mention. Please explain how I am supporting an SOM-like version of the MOQ when pretty much all I ever need to do in response to your claims is to quote Pirsig. All your disagreements are with him rather than me. Best, Steve Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
