On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:42 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi John > > 12 Jan. you said: > > > The MoQ is an ideal we strive to instantiate, not an image to be > > captured in stone. And if it ever is captured in stone, it will be > > the task of the noble iconoclast to knock it over. Or put another way, > > if you meet Buddha on the road ... > > "Instantiate"? That one is not in my dictionary.
All apologies, let me offer you a snippet of mine. It came with my mac OS install... verb [ trans. ]represent as or by an instance : Philosophy (of a universal or abstract concept) have an instance; be represented by an actual example. -------- > However, there must > be a limit to "dynamism" and when logic *) is abolished I dig in my > heels. I'm with you. Who advocates abolishing logic? > If SOM is what the MOQ tries to wrestle the "M" (existence's > innermost structure) from and place it on its own DQ/SQ system, this > becomes what a moqist sees as existence's innermost structure ...no? > > Nah, it's what an moqist sees as an explanation of existence's innermost structure. The map, Bo. The map. > > I know that Steve will accept anything - even abolishing logic - to avoid > the SOL, but I thought there were some who wanted to stay within the > logcal (ordered) universe. Your reference to Buddhism for example. > Does not a Buddhist believe that Buddhism conveys Buddhism? > > Nope. At least, I don't think so. I might say it this way, Buddhism doesn't convey Buddhism, Buddha does. But that's probably a wrong way to say it. > A model indicates some bigger structure which is miniaturized so what > goes for the model goes for the structure at a greater scale. Ergo, > Royce's buck stops at the said "metaphysics" ... not that I understood > it, but that logic "disappear", no way. Pirsig uses the "container logic" > as valid for the MOQ-SOM relationship thus people who subscribe to > the MOQ can't abolish it when (in)convenient. > > Aha, Bo. But to a pragmatist, the only test of truth is convenience, so what can you do? John the dissapointing Disappointed but still yours > > Bodvar > > > > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
