Mark, I don't agree,
By your perception, or belief, John, Marsha's statement does not work, > as you believe the subjective denies the objective. I would say I believe the subjective is creative and affirmative of the objective, that there is a constructive aspect to the reality "I perceive". This is > similar to Ham's sensibility. Marsha believes in the objective, > that is, what exists both within and outside of our experience. > Well I might be closer to Ham than I realized, sensibility seems close enough to whatever existence is that I could go with it. But I don't read Marsha the way you do here. I'd say rather that Marsha believes in "not this, not that" a devout belief in the inability of any intellectual pattern to capture what is. which is a pretty good point, in itself. But one I reject as a roller coaster existentialist because even though all metaphysical platforms might ultimately be incomplete, I still need SOMEthing to stand on as I wait my turn for the ride. > It is hard to debate when the fundamental tenants start at > different places. I suppose the debate should be who's > starting point has more Quality. A subjective viewpoint > can be argued to be more amoral. However, the objective > view often tries to define morality. > The Quality view starts with the realization of Value - a platform for judging separate from either subject or object and then figures out what works best in the moment. > Did morality exist before man? Is it a fundamental > truth? MoQ would argue that it is. > > I use the word Morality as distinct from Value, that is, morality is what arises from man's apprehension of value - but Man's existence is dependent upon absolute value or Quality, in it's Pirsigian/Roycean terms. > Mark > I still don't quite understand Marsha, > It's a woman's task to always remain somewhat a mystery, and thus instantiate in their very being the mystery of life. Marsha does a good job. John Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
