I love you John...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrVkEKcSoFE&feature=related On Jan 21, 2010, at 12:42 PM, John Carl wrote: > Marsha, > > I ask because I'm curious. I ask because I'm taking a poll of those that > see a distinction between atheist and anti-theist and I ask because > definitions of terms are socially agreed upon. > > > I answer because I'm too polite to say "FUCK your question; your question > makes me out to be whatever you want to see." > > > I don't mind being whatever it is you need me to be. > > > John the agreeable > . > > > > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:06 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> John, >> >> My definition? Why should I have such a definition? It's from the >> Copleston annotations. An online dictionary states the definition >> as: A disbeliever in the existence of God. >> >> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anti+theist >> >> Why do you ask? >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:28 AM, John Carl wrote: >> >>> Marsha, >>> >>> What's your definition of an anti-theist? >>> >>> >>> John >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:08 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Mark (Bruce mentioned), >>>> >>>> >>>> It seems for you, Mark, that the loss of God is low value, although I >> might >>>> question how much discomfort is 'some discomfort'. My definition of an >>>> atheist is: Atheists are people who believe that god or gods (or other >>>> supernatural beings) are man-made constructs, myths and legends or >>>> who believe that these concepts are not meaningful. I do not find the >>>> disappointment that Bruce suggested was mandatory for atheists. >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:35 PM, markhsmit wrote: >>>> >>>>> For me Quality equals God, so I can't drop the term without some >>>> discomfort. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> "The MOQ would add a fourth stage where the term "God" is completely >>>> dropped as a relic of an evil social suppression of intellectual and >> Dynamic >>>> freedom. The MOQ is not just atheistic in this regard. It is >> anti-theistic." >>>>> (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Bruce Underwood wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, I hope that you don't mind me jumping in on this thread, >> but >>>> here it goes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Science: Science, in my opinion, ask a separate question than >> religion. >>>> Science asks,"how" and religion asks "why". However,one thing that folks >>>> want to do is to make science into a belief. IMO, science in merely a >> method >>>> devised at the intellectual level to ask "how" things are made, work, >>>> operate, etc. Science is not something to believe in, but a set of tool >> to >>>> explore. That said,it has become the "church of science",as Pirsig puts >> it, >>>> and has become something that people worship. >>>>>> >>>>>> Religion: Religion, on the other hand, firstly, attempts to look >> beyond >>>> the now into unknown world of "why", but where its rudderless obsessions >> of >>>> control, combined with ignorance, along with the thought "that man can >> know >>>> the mind of God" has placed it in categories of distrust and hypocrisy. >>>> Regardless of the fairy tales that have been created over the >> millennium, >>>> there exists the unknown that moves and organize things against the laws >> of >>>> nature. In MoQ we call it Dynamic Quality. The thing is, MoQ, at least, >>>> provides the possibilty, with argument, for "God" to exist by whatever >> name >>>> you want to give it. The purpose of religion should be to move life >> forward >>>> and to give man hope. Where faith comes in is in the hope that there is >> more >>>> to life than existance; I believe MoQ does that. >>>>>> >>>>>> The section below is from chapter 11 of Lila. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Thermodynamics states that all energy systems "run down" like a clock >>>> and >>>>>> never rewind themselves. But life not only "runs up," converting low >>>>>> energy sea-water, sunlight and air into high-energy chemicals, it >> keeps >>>>>> multiplying itself into more and better clocks that keep "running up" >>>>>> faster and faster. >>>>>> Why, for example, should a group of simple, stable compounds of >> carbon, >>>>>> hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen struggle for billions of years to >> organize >>>>>> themselves into a professor of chemistry? What's the motive?... >>>>>> >>>>>> The question is: Then why does nature reverse this process? What on >>>> earth >>>>>> causes the inorganic compounds to go the other way? It isn't the sun's >>>>>> energy. We just saw what the sun's energy did. It has to be something >>>>>> else. What is it?... Dynamic Quality" >>>>>> >>>>>> Theist, Agnostic, Atheist: IMO, the only person without faith is the >>>> agnostic that does not search for the "truth". However, the one who >> searches >>>> for truth will always be disappointed as a theist or atheist unless he >>>> accepts the lies in either camp. The truth is somewhere in the middle >> and is >>>> found in the journey itself. MoQ is the closet thing that points to the >>>> truth that I have found. >>>>>> >>>>>> My graphical representation of this found on slide 20 of the ppt deck >>>> that I provided a couple of weeks back. Here is the link: >>>>>> http://www.thinnerself.com/files/MoQ/lila-6a.ppt >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Bruce >>>>>> >> >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ _______________________________________________________________________ Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars... 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