John, My definition? Why should I have such a definition? It's from the Copleston annotations. An online dictionary states the definition as: A disbeliever in the existence of God.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anti+theist Why do you ask? Marsha On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:28 AM, John Carl wrote: > Marsha, > > What's your definition of an anti-theist? > > > John > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:08 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Mark (Bruce mentioned), >> >> >> It seems for you, Mark, that the loss of God is low value, although I might >> question how much discomfort is 'some discomfort'. My definition of an >> atheist is: Atheists are people who believe that god or gods (or other >> supernatural beings) are man-made constructs, myths and legends or >> who believe that these concepts are not meaningful. I do not find the >> disappointment that Bruce suggested was mandatory for atheists. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:35 PM, markhsmit wrote: >> >>> For me Quality equals God, so I can't drop the term without some >> discomfort. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> "The MOQ would add a fourth stage where the term "God" is completely >> dropped as a relic of an evil social suppression of intellectual and Dynamic >> freedom. The MOQ is not just atheistic in this regard. It is anti-theistic." >>> (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Bruce Underwood wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello all, I hope that you don't mind me jumping in on this thread, but >> here it goes. >>>> >>>> Science: Science, in my opinion, ask a separate question than religion. >> Science asks,"how" and religion asks "why". However,one thing that folks >> want to do is to make science into a belief. IMO, science in merely a method >> devised at the intellectual level to ask "how" things are made, work, >> operate, etc. Science is not something to believe in, but a set of tool to >> explore. That said,it has become the "church of science",as Pirsig puts it, >> and has become something that people worship. >>>> >>>> Religion: Religion, on the other hand, firstly, attempts to look beyond >> the now into unknown world of "why", but where its rudderless obsessions of >> control, combined with ignorance, along with the thought "that man can know >> the mind of God" has placed it in categories of distrust and hypocrisy. >> Regardless of the fairy tales that have been created over the millennium, >> there exists the unknown that moves and organize things against the laws of >> nature. In MoQ we call it Dynamic Quality. The thing is, MoQ, at least, >> provides the possibilty, with argument, for "God" to exist by whatever name >> you want to give it. The purpose of religion should be to move life forward >> and to give man hope. Where faith comes in is in the hope that there is more >> to life than existance; I believe MoQ does that. >>>> >>>> The section below is from chapter 11 of Lila. >>>> >>>> "Thermodynamics states that all energy systems "run down" like a clock >> and >>>> never rewind themselves. But life not only "runs up," converting low >>>> energy sea-water, sunlight and air into high-energy chemicals, it keeps >>>> multiplying itself into more and better clocks that keep "running up" >>>> faster and faster. >>>> Why, for example, should a group of simple, stable compounds of carbon, >>>> hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen struggle for billions of years to organize >>>> themselves into a professor of chemistry? What's the motive?... >>>> >>>> The question is: Then why does nature reverse this process? What on >> earth >>>> causes the inorganic compounds to go the other way? It isn't the sun's >>>> energy. We just saw what the sun's energy did. It has to be something >>>> else. What is it?... Dynamic Quality" >>>> >>>> Theist, Agnostic, Atheist: IMO, the only person without faith is the >> agnostic that does not search for the "truth". However, the one who searches >> for truth will always be disappointed as a theist or atheist unless he >> accepts the lies in either camp. The truth is somewhere in the middle and is >> found in the journey itself. MoQ is the closet thing that points to the >> truth that I have found. >>>> >>>> My graphical representation of this found on slide 20 of the ppt deck >> that I provided a couple of weeks back. Here is the link: >>>> http://www.thinnerself.com/files/MoQ/lila-6a.ppt >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Bruce >>>> _______________________________________________________________________ Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars... Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
