Khaled, Your point about the comparison of treatment with American Indians was well taken and well timed, as I was just writing on the subject at another mailing list I'm on, a pretty quiet one, so far, but three messages this morning ([email protected] is the list - open to all and if anyone wonders about D-Q University, that's where I focus my words on THAT subject) so I appreciate your comparison, and your historical points.
If I could go back in time and give advice to the Native American World and the Muslim World, it'd be on this one point you make: The Muslim and Arab world was looking to the west for help, support, > direction and as a model example to what to strive for. > > How has that worked out? And I say the same to American Indians, who also adopted the accoutrement of the SOMish paradigm, because it promises (and delivers) great power and material prosperity - How has that worked out? The snake promised godlike powers, but took away innocence and purity. > that revolution was not meant to turn the country into a theocracy. > > heh-heh, many a slip twixt the cup and the lip, as I tell all my power-mongering hegemonic empire builders. > That is not to say that some of you said is not true or does not have > it's merits. Then again, how many treaties did we sign with the Indians > only to keep breaking them. To this day, some of those treaties have not > been settled. > > Well to be honest, my main point is the one about the long-term breeding of an Idiocracy. "m"oqism is more about analyzing society in terms of real value - and I find it fascinating that the western intellectual stopped procreating about 30 years ago, American and European - heck, and Japanese for that matter. Even China has an ongoing and looming problem with their strict population-control agenda, so it's not just the west, its industrialized civilization where we define over-population by "I can't find a parking space at WalMart". Whereas in reality, population problems are not cause the quantity of people. Population problems are caused by the quality of people. And we've produced an entire generation of non-productive, in terms of actual real productivity - making or growing real goods - people without any idea that their life should produce useful worth to the mother earth which birthed them. People with a purely victim mentality at the root of their being. People who have abandoned morality in the service of hedonism, and then cry foul because they see themselves being swamped by a competing society. You're right Khaled. It is funny. Funnier even than I realized. John > Khaled > ____________________________________________________________ > Nutrition > Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=HZb4iWwjzaIoCmZ4qAVdywAAJ1BoN5MIA846iJgpKACKCvEMAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA= > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
