John, Should I ask you to consider the relativity of what is 'to your mind?' To my mind a Mozart Symphony, for example No. 40 - K550, may inspire painting on the ceiling.
Marsha On Jan 29, 2010, at 1:16 AM, John Carl wrote: > Absolutely agree on form and structure of jazz, Marsha. And there is a > dynamic aspect to computer programming and advanced math, I'm sure, just > like classical music. > > But to my mind, jazz was so dynamic for the same reason our mural projects > are more dynamic than a lone artist's work - the collaborative effort > produces a variety and diversity of expression that feeds the others into > new insights. When an orchestra sits down with Beethoven's music in front > of them, their craftsmanship is required. Their creativity is not. > > > > John > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:52 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> When Beethoven was composing, he was producing music the likes of >> which audience had never heard before. He was "Far out there Man!!!' >> And I can assure you that a jazz pianist doesn't go to a keyboard and >> just pound on any notes. There is form and structure under Jazz too. >> >> >> >> On Jan 28, 2010, at 1:19 PM, John Carl wrote: >> >>> Sure Marsha, even before you posted them in the recent past. >>> >>> Quality in it's more static aspect does not obviate Quality in it's more >>> dynamic. >>> >>> Can't put new wine in the old wine skins, >>> >>> Later, >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:37 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Plu-eeze! >>>> >>>> Obviously spoken by someone knowing little of classical music... >>>> >>>> Have you ever listened to Bach's Goldberg Variations? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 28, 2010, at 11:35 AM, John Carl wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well said Andre, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Pirsig does not want his metaphysics to be another prison. Hence the >>>>>> DQ/SQ divisions... and (if you like) the notion of the continuation of >>>>>> evolutionary progress (which is 'open-ended'). That is: it remains >>>>>> provisional. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Pirsig in ZAMM quotes jazz musicians - jazz, a uniquely new American >> Art >>>> - >>>>> influencing the culture at large, Kerouac adopted Jazz style to >>>> literature >>>>> and inspired a new generation of writers to break free from the prison >> of >>>>> formal rigidity. >>>>> >>>>> Classical symphonys, with every note defined and in its place, have >> their >>>>> beauty, Bach in his realm, Kant in his. Breathtaking! but the MoQ is >>>> more >>>>> like Jazz, >>>>> >>>>> Jazz is not chaotic at its roots. It might seem so to those >> overly-fond >>>> of >>>>> having every note defined, but the musical structure dictates a >>>> harmonious >>>>> unity that is not intellectually defined, but sensed, and felt, and >>>> played >>>>> with freedom. The MoQ invites harmonious riffs, not apparent to the >>>>> original composer and discovered in the playing. >>>>> >>>>> "Man if you could just drop all them high-falutin' pretensions and DIG >>>> it" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> John >>>> >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >>>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
