Hi Andre Jan 20.:
Steve to Andre: > It doesn't really, but it is a good idea to consider how the word > metaphysics is used in ZAMM as well. Do you think that Pirsig means > something different by the term "metaphysics" when he describes his > philosophical system as "a metaphysics" from what is traditionally > meant by the term? I leave this issue in suspense, and hope that RMP will give us a hint. Andre: > Yes I do think that Pirsig means something different when using his > philosophical system 'a metaphysics'. Firstly of course the starting > point of the MoQ is to take Value as primary and, crucially the > pre-intellectual aspect of it, into account.( this as opposed to the > majority of other philosophical systems) namely 'direct experience'. Quality=Reality and the Dynamic/Static configuration are one and the same. Look, the SOM does NOT postulate any non-value reality which is subject/object-divided, thus Dynamic Quality at the top immediately creates its Static counterpoint. Both are Quality thus the Quality=Reality axiom is kept high and dry. This is the in-out-turn of the metaphysical sock , totally different" from the Aristotelian article which is "man's" subjective ponderings about an objective reality. > This experience is then divided and integrated into the four static > levels of value within an overall evolutionary framework. > What attracts me to the MoQ is that it is not prescriptive, it says > nowhere what ought to be done or what ought to be the case. I think > this is what set Phaedrus up against Kant (Master cutter as he was) > because (within the Kantian philosophy and many others) he still felt > within a prison (see ZMM). Complete agreement, by making existence levels of Good there is nothing ultimate good (ethical) even the highest level is subordinated the DQ/SQ configuration. However a view that explains everything is very Good.. > Pirsig does not want his metaphysics to be another prison. Hence the > DQ/SQ divisions... and (if you like) the notion of the continuation of > evolutionary progress (which is 'open-ended'). That is: it remains > provisional. Objections!. The Quality Universe is "bigger" than the S/O one because it has swallowed it, but it is closed. In retrospect the static evolution ended with the realization of it all being a Quality evolution - i.e. the MOQ - no level beyond the intellectual is possible and - most important - no "intellectual pattern" (in the faulty sense of the MOQ being an intellectual pattern) is possible without the MOQ going pouf! Don't let your "flying" tendencies get the best of you :-) Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
