Mark --
On Jan 30, 2010, at 1:33:36 PM, "Ham Priday" <[email protected]> wrote:
Finally, if (as I believe) the physical universe is a construct of man's value-sensibility, its order, design and dynamics are representative phenomena of human intelligence, in which case the terms "randomness" and "determinism" are meaningless. For, if we cannot predict what the future will bring, how can we possibly know that our "free choices" are not predetermined?
[Mark]:
I know you have stated the above before. But, for whatever reason, something clicked. Although this may not be what you are talking about, when I look at the interface between my (man's) brain/body, and what is outside, there is creation at work. We could say that this is man-made mind. We actually perceive so little of the physical universe, which at our level of sensibility actually appears solid (while it is not).
I'm glad something clicked. But you're still hung up on a physical universe. Think of the universe as a "world of appearances" which you yourself intellectualize from sensory experience. It is your world, your reality, the object of your subjectivity. What you see as beautiful is what you value as beauty. What you admire as intelligent reflects your intellectual values. The morality you aspire to is what your sensibility values as good and virtuous.
So, I do agree with you (at least I agree with what I understand you to say), that our perception of reality is our creation. It has to be. Now, this is not new to me, as all along I have been firm in my commitment in that our belief systems, whatever they are, are personal creations. I have brought our infatuation with science into that same subjective belief. So, perhaps we are closer than thought. I have trouble with the word Essence, possibly because I am looking for something, which I believe would be impossible. However, having said that, I would still posit that each and everything and cluster of things, also creates it's own reality by its own perception. That is from a neutrino to a supernova. These are not human perceptions, but there is nothing special about my bag of chemicals. There can't be, unless we are somehow special. Of course, you wouldn't be the first person to say that.
If you can't think of yourself as "special", try thinking of someone you regard as special. Or think of the achievements of mankind throughout history. Surely there is something very special about human interaction with the world, as compared with any other species or entity. In a valuistic (qualitative) sense, the universe is an anthropocentric system whose form, qualities, and attributes are defined by man's experience and measured in terms of his value-sensibility. Being itself is a construct that you "create" valuistically. Things ("in themselves") don't have to "perceive" values inasmuch as their existence is the result of YOUR value sensibility.
As you yourself said, "our perception of reality is our creation. It has to be."
Exactly! So why don't you believe it? Cheers, Ham Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
