hey dmb, how are ya kiddo? and a howdy to all you fine people out there in moq land. i have been on hiatus, whatever that means i too like jon stewart. we get the daily show over here on sbs (best tv station in zee world - stands for soccer broadcasting station).
and now for the point. what is of value to the intellectual level? is it truth? i don't think it is - truth seems more like a social pattern, in keeping with ideology etc...or maybe we need to define 'truth' a bit more precisely a la hesse in glass bead game, the highest activity of reason seems to be the most elegant demonstrations of conceptual interrelatedness. at the intellectual level truth becomes the truth of relativity. i think there is another function too. at the intellectual level the search for truth becomes internalised. at the social level, truth is the truth of society - one size fits all. at the intellectual level, via the nullifying effect of relativity, the search for truth becomes personal. the individual and their existence, memories, surroundings etc - their *unique* situation, becomes the material upon which consciousness extracts/adds meaning in the search for truth, or *self*. how does this sit with existentialism? perhaps it is a completion....existentialism was always looking for its ethical foundations but without a recognition of the implicit nature of value, it was always going to have trouble. ...so those things that resonate or prick up our quality sense are signposts, clues....to our personal quest for truth or self-realisation. hence: 'life is like a detective story in which you try and solve the mystery of your own absence...' anyway just thoughts gav --- On Wed, 3/2/10, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: > From: david buchanan <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MD] Intellect's Symposium > To: [email protected] > Received: Wednesday, 3 February, 2010, 5:45 AM > > John quoted Jacquelyn Ann K. Kegley and then said: > > See, that's the overthrow of SOM right there. Science > is itself an object of inquiry, subject to higher > values. This is what Pirsig was on about and what has > been going on in our world for some time. > > dmb says: > I didn't see the overthrow of SOM in there. There are some > related problems that Royce seems to be addressing, like the > idea value-free science, but quote seemed wholly unrelated > to the assumptions of subject-object metaphysics, let alone > overcoming them. > On the last page of chapter 29 in Lila, you'll see that the > only thing "higher" than science is DQ. As far as static > patterns go, intellectual patterns are the best we can have. > If Royce meant that science should be "social" as it's meant > in the MOQ, which is extremely unlikely, then his view would > be considered immoral. If he just meant that science can > only exist in a cultural context, then he's only saying what > everybody says. > I'm just going by the things you post here but so far, I > have to say, Royce has been, um, let's just say... > unimpressive. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > __________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
