I was being ironic no chuckle? nhyyya, well, I've got another 2 days of snow shoveling ahead of me, I'm not in much of a mood for chuckeling either....
making a snow step pyramid in the yard going to sacrifice a snowman to the snow gods and pray they stop . may the frost giants save us ----- Original Message ---- From: John Carl <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 4:29:22 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Demanding Evidence From Theists Sometimes I'm just shocked at the way atheists learn about religion being a hot-bed of evil and then go all surprised on us. Ron? Duh! That's the point whole point of the story in the scripture, the full development of even the best religion is into pure evil. Always. Every time. All it takes is time and the persistence of social groups along certain intellectually static patterns, and voila. never forget it was the religious and pious that crucified the son of god. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 5:22 AM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: > "jesus christ"!!!! > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: david buchanan <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, February 9, 2010 2:29:55 AM > Subject: Re: [MD] Demanding Evidence From Theists > > > I realize this sounds like a wacky conspiracy theory but I just checked and > Wiki has a page about it. Didn't read it, just checked to see if there was > one... > > > Let me take that back. I started reading the page but got to a certain > point and just had to share a section. Are you sitting down? > > > Controversial leadership model > Fellowship leader Doug Coe is described as preaching a leadership model, > and a personal commitment to Jesus Christ, comparable to the blind devotion > that Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Chairman Mao, and Pol Pot demanded from > their followers.[30] In one videotaped 1989 lecture series, Coe said, > "Hitler, Goebbels and Himmler were three men. Think of the immense power > these three men had...But they bound themselves together in an > agreement...Two years before they moved into Poland, these three men > had...systematically a plan drawn out...to annihilate the entire Polish > population and destroy by numbers every single house...every single building > in Warsaw and then to start on the rest of Poland." Coe adds that it worked; > they killed six and a half million "Polish people." Though he calls Nazis > "these enemies of ours," he compares their commitment to Jesus' demands: > "Jesus said, ‘You have to put me before other people. And you have to put me > before yourself.' > Hitler, that was the demand to be in the Nazi party. You have to put the > Nazi party and its objectives ahead of your own life and ahead of other > people."[30][31]Coe also compares Jesus' teachings with the Red Guard during > the Chinese Cultural Revolution:I’ve seen pictures of young men in the Red > Guard of China...they would bring in this young man’s mother and father, lay > her on the table with a basket on the end, he would take an axe and cut her > head off....They have to put the purposes of the Red Guard ahead of the > mother-father-brother-sister -- their own life! That was a covenant. A > pledge. That was what Jesus said.[30][32]David Kuo states that comparisons > such as these aren't representative of the picture Douglas Coe was trying to > paint:Kuo says Doug Coe wasn’t lauding Hitler's actions. “What Doug is > saying, it’s a metaphor. He is using Hitler as a metaphor. Jesus used that,” > Kuo said. A metaphor for what? “Commitment,” Kuo answered. > ... [A] close friend told NBC News that Doug Coe invokes Hitler only to > show the power of small groups -- for good and bad. And, the friend said, > Coe spends “99 percent” of his time during the sermons talking about the > leadership model set by Jesus Christ.[30][edit]Secrecy > The Fellowship has long been a secretive organization.[33][34] It maintains > no public website and conducts no public fundraising activities.Prominent > political figures have insisted that secrecy and/or privacy are essential to > the Fellowship's operation. In 1985, President Ronald Reagan said about the > Fellowship, "I wish I could say more about it, but it's working precisely > because it is private."[35]At the 1990 National Prayer Breakfast, President > George H.W. Bush praised Doug Coe for what he described as “quiet diplomacy, > I wouldn’t say secret diplomacy.”[4]In 2009, Chris Halverson, son of > Fellowship co-founder Richard C. Halverson, said that a culture of secrecy > is essential to their mission: "If you talked about it, you would destroy > that fellowship."[1]From the 1930s to the 1960s it was organized as a more > traditional religious association. In 1966, Fellowship founder Abraham > Vereide became concerned about his organization's growing publicity > and declared in a letter that it was time to “submerge the institutional > image of [the Family].”[36] Author Jeff Sharlet describes this shift in > operation:Thereafter, the Fellowship would avoid at all costs any appearance > of an organization... Business would be conducted on the letterhead of > public men, who would testify that Fellowship initiatives were their own. > Finances would be more ‘man-to-man,’ which is to say, off the books.[37]In > 1975, a member of the Fellowship's inner circle wrote to the group's chief > South African member, that their political initiatives...have always been > misunderstood by 'outsiders.' As a result of very bitter experiences, > therefore, we have learned never to commit to paper any discussions or > negotiations that are taking place. There is no such thing as a > 'confidential' memorandum, and leakage always seems to occur. Thus, I would > urge you not to put on paper anything relating to any of the work that you > are > doing...[unless] you know the recipient well enough to put at the top of > the page 'PLEASE DESTROY AFTER READING.'The recipient made copies of this > memo for other Fellowship members in Africa, one of which > survives.[38][39]In 1974, after several Watergate conspirators had joined > the Fellowship, an LA Times columnist discouraged further inquiries into > Washington's "underground prayer movement", i.e. the Fellowship: “They > genuinely avoid publicity...they shun it.”[40]In 2002, Doug Coe denied that > the Fellowship sponsors the National Prayer Breakfast. Jennifer Thornett, a > Fellowship employee, said that "there is no such thing as the > Fellowship."[13]Former Republican Senator William Armstrong said the group > has “made a fetish of being invisible.”[41]In the 1960s, when the > organization first went "underground," the Fellowship began distributing, to > involved members of Congress, confidential memos which stressed that “the > group, as such, never takes > any formal action, but individuals who participate in the group through > their initiative have made possible the activities mentioned.”[42]Fellowship > Member and Senator Sam Brownback describes Fellowship members' method of > operation: “Typically, one person grows desirous of pursuing an action”—-a > piece of legislation, a diplomatic strategy—-“and the others pull in > behind.” [43] Indeed, Brownback has often joined with fellow Family members > in pursuing legislation. For example, in 1999 he joined together with fellow > Family members, Senators Strom Thurmond and Don Nickles to demand a criminal > investigation of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, > and in 2005 Brownback joined with Fellowship member Sen. Tom Coburn to > promote the Houses of Worship Act.[44] > > > Concerned yet? > > > > dmb > _________________________________________________________________ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. 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