On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:32 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > [John] > > By what mechanism does a social level create intellectual patterns? > > > Pirsig gives the example of how from social rituals, intellectual meaning > arises. > > Also Wittgenstein's builder example in "PI". > Craig >
Sorry Craig, never read Wittgenstein, just Pirsig. But Pirsig thinks ideas occur to individuals, and I pretty much agree with that. It is usually an individual thinking of a social problem or pattern, but the philosophical and metaphysical tool set given to the individual was passed to him through social libraries and schools, the ideas are the work and patterns of individuals thinking. Exposure to this thinking produces more thinking, but the thinking can't be said to be a purely social phenomena. In fact, my bone of contention with orthodoxy is that there's no such thing as any human society without intellectual and social patterning going on simultaneously. I agree with Pirsig as to the usefulness of analyzing each pattern as distinctive, but I disagree there is any evidence for one ever existing without the other. It certainly doesn't exist today, except on tv shows imaging the past. John the empirically stubborn Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
