Bodvar, I woke up early and able to get out this one post. There are few items I take issue with you but this is one. As a general statement I would suggest emotions are biological in nature. However, just like language straddles both social and intellectual, emotions straddle both biological and social. Dave's note that smile can make you happy, I learned that the opposite is true was sell. A number of years ago my father past away. We were very close and emotionally I was devastated. The night before his funeral, which my brother and I were to speak, I had to run home to get something. I was a five hour round trip. So as I was driving, I practice my talk I was to give at the funeral and invariably emotions would swells and I had to stop both me and the car. This happened several times until I noticed that I would grimace just before the emotions would overwhelm me. I learned that if I didn't grimace and relax my face it was enough to stop overwhelming emotions to overcome me. To me that suggested controlling the muscles in my face, which seemed to start a biological response to my grief, was enough to hold the emotions at bay and the next day at the funeral I was able to hold it together until the very end.
Bodvar > Very interesting, but it does not go against "emotions as the social > expression", it only disproves SOM in which view emotions are mental > and not supposed to have any effect on the material body. In the MOQ > the levels interact freely upwards and downwards, no material/mental > border to be crossed .... BTW another proof that Pirsig's about > inorgany and biology = material and society and intellect = mental is > faulty . Your point is interesting as well. However as the social world, through language, would define the world around it, including emotions. Hence we in turn able to anthropomorphize our human understanding of emotions onto them which never works because as you point out animal don't have the capacity to understand emotion, however I would suggest that they experience them very similar. On the farm as a kid when a calf was born there was a instinctual bonding of cow and calf. Once you took the calf away from it's mother, it would get stressed and try to search out the calf and respond to the loss of the calf. Take away a baby from a human mother, I would suggest you would find a very similar response. >It's not capable of standing in the stable >imagining situations and becoming mentally ill. Nor of love, regret, >blame, remorse ...and the host of true human social emotions. Imagining situation is part of the reflective understanding of what emotions are. I would so very humbly suggest that perhaps the idea of emotion as strictly social is also a fallout of SOM. Understanding emotions is I would agree a social phenomenon, but experiencing them is originally a biological one. Take care always, Mati Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
