Andre my child. 24 March:
I had said to Dave T. > This gets a bit ridiculous, the MOQ postulates the DQ/SQ dualism > (the fact that both are different aspects of the same underlying > Quality can be no issue) Then there is no immediate experience more > immediate than DQ unless we have some "trinity". In the train analogy > the locomotive and the cars he calls Classic Quality (he actually > says classic knowledge but it must be Quality, no?) while the leading > edge is Romantic Quality. This can safely be translated into DQ/SQ ... > no? > He actually says that the tracks are Quality, but that's a goof, if so > we have the "trinity" again like in the "Quality/MOQ" meta-metaphysics > where the big QUALITY becomes the leading edge, the train = SQ and the > track = the "static DQ" of the MOQ. Your "immediate experience > containing both DQ and SQ" is a variety of this monstrosity. God what > a pathetic show just to avoid the MOQ. Andre: > Actually I think you contradicted yourself here Bodvar. In the first > paragraph you say about the DQ/SQ dualism: 'the fact that both are > different aspects of the same underlying Quality can be no issue'. This > is my understanding as well, Good. As in the example of liquid and frozen states, it was the fact that both are water I meant was "no issue", it is the DIFFERENCE that counts. > but then in the second paragraph you chide Pirsig for calling the > tracks 'Quality' and label this statement a 'goof'. The tracks are the > Quality 'upon' which the static quality patterns 'ride'. They are, as > you say: 'the same underlying Quality' I think he should have left the "leading edge" as the DQ metaphor and the train the SQ ditto, not introduced a still bigger Quality that the DQ/SQ "rides on" ... the pesky QUALITY/MOQ meta-metaphysics again. . > And the leading edge is the place where all the 'friction' occurs, all > the action is. The meeting of the locomotive (with all the boxcars) > 'causing' sparks of Dynamic Quality to 'fly up' and challenge the > direction of the locomotive. The point of infinite possibilities. > And,the analogues the locomotive has already gathered,will determine > its direction.This will be based on the evaluations of these 'infinite > possibilities'. Nice embroidery, but that's all! > So, from a static perspective you have the DQ/SQ interplay, the dance > of Lila. From a Dynamic perspective you have pure experience.DQ. Dynamic Quality (of the MOQ) is "pure experience", to postulate some Quality still more dynamic than DQ threatens the MOQ > in hope that this post will arrive in a more presentable state than > the last one. Let's just say that Mozilla and I are getting to know > each other. Your posts have always been impeccable, wish the content were ;-) My trouble is the connection with my server so the Mozilla Thunderbird didn't help. Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
