Ah-h-h. home again. On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:18 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]>wrote:
> > John said to dmb: > Don't feel quite so cranky as I did about your ignorant disparagement of me > as I used to, now that Josiah has helped me understand. > > > > dmb says: > > If you could just step back and try to take a fair-minded view of the > situation, I think you'll see that my "disparagements" were neither "of you" > nor were they ignorant. There are very good reasons to reject Royce. James > practically built radical empiricism to defeat Absolutism of any kind and > even if it weren't wildly at odds with Pirsig's kind of pragmatism, it is > basically a dead philosophy. It's not about you, John. The greatest, > smartest, handsomest dude in the world could dish it up and it would still > be Royce. > > I also happen to think you're in way over your head. But that's a separate > issue. > > And I think you're a stuck up ignorant asshole. Fair enough. Everybody's entitled to their own opinions. Just to be clear: I have no problem with your ignorant disparagement of Royce. In fact, I'm glad of it and encourage you to continue along those lines. Why would I want to see more intellectual tools put into your hands when you've already made such crappy use of the excellent ones already given you? Leave Royce Alone! The ignorant disparagement that pissed me off was your ignorant disparagement of me. Back before you even knew anything about me, you disparaged me to my friend. And this was a delicate situation in many ways; out of which Steve was looking for authoritative help - a mediator, a resolver of dilemma, an interpreter to help an old friendship overcome some obstacles. And believe me, dave, the kind of "authoritativeness" that you project is exactly the kind of crap that impresses Steve. And I mean, for quite a while you did have this aura of being the heir-apparent, teacher's pet of the MoQ, admittedly, right? So your low opinion of me carried more weight than it should have. Not entirely your fault, perhaps, but food for thought, nevertheless. Steve was always going on about Mensa and trying to join them, but he wasn't quite smart enough. But that kind of static hierarchical confering of status is something he's always sought. I was embarrassed to tell him I could have joined that club if I saw any point to it. I probably should have. The point would have been he'd have respected me enough then to not so easily toss out my friendship. Instead he listened to you. But regardless of your opinion of my intellectual ability to keep my head above water, regardless of anybody's opinion about me, I'd like to see you actually explain to us all here how it works in practice, this nature of pragmatic truth modified by further experience. Hmmm? Because from where I'm sitting? Your pragmatism is rooted in YOUR experience. You thought "Steve's friend" was a jerk because you had some neighbors that used to annoy you. Thus you were judging from experience, but putting way too much weight upon YOUR experience. I see this as an ongoing issue where you can't even unbend your brain enough to even get where somebody else is coming from. And dude. Honestly. I've quoted Pirsig's affirmation of Bradley's Idealism (which W James totally rejects, I've recently found) about three times now and you just ignore it. Like you ignore any facts, information or truth that doesn't jive with YOUR experience. Pragmatism is supposed to be a way of doing philosophy. Not used the way you do as an avoidance of it. > Think about how rude it is to drop by on a friend. Think about how uncool > it is to interrupt your buddy and then maybe get angry or hurt because he > doesn't want to drop what he's doing. > You can't be serious. You have no idea of the way things happen, and yet you persist in projecting your own ideas about reality. I never expected Steve to drop what he was doing. I stopped by to help him out a little. We used to work construction together for me dad, years prior. He was doing a remodel, I'm a licensed contractor and he's a licensed engineer more used to desk work. I wanted to help and I enjoyed doing so because I enjoyed discussing the MoQ with somebody in real life. Pleasant conversation and easy work. I helped him get his project done sooner and he had plenty of time to sip a beer with me when we'd finished. Me stopping by wouldn't have bugged Steve so much except for his troubles with his wife. And I was no help there to him at all. Sort of the opposite in fact. But I didn't know that at the time except in the most generally positive fact that she always seemed real glad to see me. > And think about trying to cram Royce down my throat in this forum. > > It's the same thing, really. They're both rude in a self-indulgent sort of > way. > > Something you are definitely the expert on, mr, projection man. > I think a reasonable guy would see why selling Royce here isn't such a > great idea and then he'd realize it was silly to take that rejection > personally. You figured out the koan I set out for you a while back dave? What is the sound of no hands clapping? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
