Hi Ham Bo before: > > It only became "metaphysics" after Pirsig pointed it out as SOM. > > Before that everyone - like you - took it for granted - how existence > > had been assembled "at the factory" so to say. Now, he called the MOQ a > > metaphysics too and should have left it there, but trust Pirsig to > > undermine his own achievement, he postulated that Quality is the > > OBJECTIVE reality and the MOQ just another SUBJECTIVE theory, which is > > back to SOM-land.
Ham > That's the equivalent of saying gravity didn't exist until Einstein came > up with his theory of relativity. Einstein and gravity? At least it's Newton's that ZAMM speaks about. But as you may know General Relativity says there is no gravity "out there", it's an effect of the time-space continuum so perhaps the MOQ- SOM relationship can be compared to the General Relativity - Newton one. Not many understand GR and even fewer the MOQ, my efforts are counterproductive, but Mary seems to be the eye-opener > Pointing out some principle or characteristic of universal experience > and assigning a label to it does not make it a metaphysics. Don't be so wise-guyish. Newton's Gravity theory is no metaphysics, P. of ZAMM used it to show how a new theory/discovery instantaneously crystallizes everything in the its pattern. But the intellectual level had to be before Newton, as said no such Stone Age "genius" was possible > Also, why did you describe SOM as "the 'objective-OVER-subject' approach > without its 'M'"? Aren't you forcing an unwarranted conclusion? If we > ignore the "M", we are left with a simple dichotomy (dyad) relating > subject to object, with no presumption that one dominates the other. Exactly, that's what the Q-intellectual level is about, it can continue its good S/O dividing work without oppressing us with its bleak metaphysical picture.. > Thanks for helping to clear up my misunderstanding, Bo. My pleasure, but when are you going to heed it? Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
