Hiya Arlo, Boy, I sure wanna discuss some of these issues at length, but I don't have much time since I spent my lunch mostly writing a story for Ham's Birthday. But I'll sqeeze in a bit now and maybe come back to other points later.
Or maybe not. I can be scatterbrained. [Arlo] > Sure. My point, again, is only that Pirsig has not only endorsed the > "academics" here, but continues to interact with them. I hardly think one > could > chastize these "academics" for "philosophology". > > I certainly wouldn't. In fact, I wouldn't chastise them for anything really. I don't know them that well. > [Arlo] > Again, I think the evidence shows "Bob" is not only interested in seeing > the > MOQ adopted by university philosophy programs, his involvement with Ant and > DMB > has shown he is actively supporting it. > > Ok, now the pragmatic empiricist in me comes out and wonders if this is really true, or just an idea you have in your head. You have evidence for such support in the past, I'm sure. But honestly Arlo it seems to me that this is mere projection on your part. A sort of longing for a big daddy in the sky that you never got fulfilled. Joking, of course. But maybe with a frisson of truth about it. John prev: And it is in that vein that I think Platt is closer to the heart than any > reliance upon any static authority figure. Be it Pirsig himself or any > past-designated acolytes. > > [Arlo] > This saddens me, John, in a big way. But if you feel this way, you feel > this > way. All I know is, if I were genuinely interested in what Pirsig is > saying, > I'd listen to the people Pirsig said understand his work the best. I might > disagree with them, but I wouldn't select someone with a partial (I am > being > kind) grasp of his works, and a motis operandi that is little more than > "demonize them evil libs". > > Aw gee Arlo. I hate to sadden anyone in a big way. But here is where I think you need to expand your horizons a little. Who understands Pirsig best? Himself? Hah! I know for a fact that often the person who least understands me is me. Its true for all of us. We don't fully know ourselves, without others to bounce off of and reflect us back at us. So I don't buy dmb or ant being the best interpreters of the MoQ, even if Pirsig says so. I also don't know that he says so. If he does, I'd argue with him. But even if it was true, it can't remain so for long, for as you point out, metaphysics dialogically evolve, and thus any static encapsulation of a momentary grasping of the MoQ as "the best" would be, simply by the fact of its staticity, fallacious when projected beyond that moment. "We are monumental in a moment" but that's all. > [John] > And tell me, oh teacher of men, what increases learning? Arrogant > encapsulations of academic status, or humble seeking of truth? > > [Arlo] > Jeez. Arrogant? Arrogance serves no one, neither the learned nor the > profane; > neither those who seek knowledge, nor those who champion ignorance. > > By the way, lest you get too high on that "perfessers are bad, mmmkay" > platform > yourself, I'd consider YOU to be among the few here are readily and often > engage in very high academic level discourse. I'm not talking about > "professional academics" when I say academics, but anyone interested in > pursuing learning and knowledge. So when you bust on me for supporting > "academics" in the dialogue here, you are (in a bit of irony) busting on > yourself. > > Well, thanks for the compliment, but its obviated by your very assertion. For the designated Pirsig expert dmb does not consider me of any academic value at all. He claims that I'm over my head here with all you high-falutin' educated types, so thus either your appeal to authority falls flat or your compliment does. As for my ironic busting on myself. It's my forte. Haven't you ever seen a roadrunner cartoon? It's what coyote does, man. John, late to work again. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
