You're confusing computers with robots (or possibly cyborgs). There's a
big difference and computers are ubiquitous.
They're in your car, your microwave, your camera, your phone, probably
your oven and your fridge and hundreds of other places. Many of them are
using Neural network and/or fuzzy logic techniques and are able to learn.
You also seem to be anthropomorphising them - why would they need
religions, governments armies etc.?
Computer programs are communicating with each other all the time,
without the intervention of humans. There are programs that can alter
their own structures and pass these changes onto other programs in real
time - lateral evolution. They're called viruses and they are most
definitely analogous to biological viruses and have gone from extremely
simple structures to highly complex forms and are getting more complex
all the time. And these programs are fairly simple in comparison to the
hugely complex structures that run things like, f.ex. the Internet.
The point here is that they are not based on carbon - they're based on
silicon - and they already have a biological level which is independent
of their inorganic level. How many millions of years did it take for
carbon-based creatures to get to that level of complexity and yet these
have gotten there in a few tens of years.
I really doubt that we'll be aware of programs becoming social level
entities because they'll be completely different from what we've
experienced so far. Different Social level values to anything we know. I
doubt it'll take that long though.
Horse
On 15/04/2010 21:58, [email protected] wrote:
Would you care to speculate what the computer social level might be
like? Would it have religion? What sort of government would it have?
Who would control its army? Where would it put criminals? What system
would it use to create and exchange goods and services? The more
specifics you can furnish, the better.
Thanks,
Platt
On 15 Apr 2010 at 18:36, Horse wrote:
You're missing the point Platt - if they are intelligent and thus have
an intellectual level - they would have a social level. Pirsig's point
about ants and bees etc. isn't relevant. If computers ever did become
intelligent it would be through a different but analogous path.
On 15/04/2010 17:21, [email protected] wrote:
This is the notion that any old group constitutes a social level, a notion
flatly denied by Pirsig:
"One can also call ants and bees "social" insects, but for purposes of
precision in the MOQ social patterns should be defined as human and
subjective. Unlike cells and bees and ants they cannot be detected with
an objective scientific instrument. For example there is no objective
scientific instrument that can distinguish between a king and commoner,
because the difference is social." (LC, Note 49)
Regards,
Platt
On 15 Apr 2010 at 17:10, Horse wrote:
But they wouldn't be destroying their own social level - they'd be
destroying ours. If they were intelligent and significantly different to
us their social level would remain intact. Why would they worry?
On 15/04/2010 16:35, Platt Holden wrote:
It would be just like intelligent computers to attain such a level of
arrogance that they would believe they would be better off by eliminating
the social level on which their existence depends.
Reminds me of some intellectuals I know.
Regards,
Platt
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Tudor Boloni<[email protected]> wrote:
would be morally correct to kill us if they feel
a) they will be able to contribute more ideas and intellectual patterns
than
human can achieve
and
b) they determine humans are eating up too many resources and produce too
few intellectual patterns for the expense
am i missing something?
tudor
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