Greetings Mary, On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Mary <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi John & all, > > Rudimentary Emotions must have begun at the Biological Level. > Emotions do not exist without an ego to feel them. > Is the ego a biological creation or a socially created pattern? Because I put forth that it is only socially derived and created. > Ego developed as a self-preservation mechanism at the Biological Level. > If you lacked an ego, you would not value your own continued existence. > If you did not value your own continued existence, you would not defend > yourself, so you wouldn't survive, would you? > > If you had no conception of self to defend, you would not know how to defend it. Therefore, before the proper attention to the biological exingencies of existence can be maintained, the boundaries of self vs. other must be created or defined. There are human bodies we can maintain at a functional level, but we deem the "self" to be absent. We call them "brain dead", but what we really mean is that we can no longer interact with them on any level, and thus since they have zero social meaning, they must not be really alive. This shows that sense of self is a social construct. Emotions are social intelligence. > Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Which of these 2 emotions were > first? Lust or Fear? Fear, I'm sure. We value biological integrity long before we crave biological procreativity. > Hmmm, kind of depends on your mechanism for > procreation, doesn't it. If you replicate by basic cell division, you > wouldn't need lust, so I guess it was fear. I would say that they are the > only 2 that are necessary at the Biological Level. Get any fancier and you > are talking rudimentary Social Level (cooperation, empathy, respect and > such). > > So, I guess the ego was the big driver through both the biological and > social levels. Didn't stop there, though, did it? The Ego drives the > intellectual Level too. I am discrete. I am me and everything else is > "other". I Need that science to study that "other stuff". There's me (the > subject) and you and particle physics (my objects). Can't be any other way > because I am my ego. Subject-Object Metaphysics rules! > > I believe tho that this ego problem is tameable with realization. Ever heard of realization Mary? For I realize that since my self cannot exist without a relational matrix, and I also realize my self does exist, I can deduce metaphysically a relational matrix beyond my narrow sense of self and hey. As long as I can metaphysically deduce my existence, (and yours!) I'm happy. And it is peace of mind which determines the completion of the rotisserie. John Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
